Soviet September patch discussion

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2019, 17:54 PMVipper

Lowering the range of flame grenade or moving to SP. Imo that can fix allot of issues with maxims.

Removing the ST44 upgrade from VG or replacing it with MP40 can also help conscripts allot.

Better designing T1 can also help allot, changes could include:
lowering price for Penal replacing their weapon and giving them SVTs as weapon upgrade, removing PTRS upgrade and introducing a AT squad with PTRS if there actually a need for it.

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2019, 17:58 PMgbem

The first issue still means the maxim would be bad... and would have plenty of caveats

Penal changes would be neat at balancing things out but the maxim would still remain THE worst mg ingame

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2019, 14:25 PMVipper

Lowering the price of T2 will not make people go for T2 builts. It will simply allow them to back tech making T1 even more attractive. They will still have easy access to PTRS to deal with light and now easier access to ATG if the enemy rushes mediums tanks.

T1 is currently superior offering too much for a small cost.

It is as simply as that.

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2019, 18:24 PMMr Carmine

I agree with t2 being cheaper just makes it easier to backtech. And t1 having a big bang for low cost.

But as long as the 2/3 of the units t2 provides remain lackluster, the zis while good also has no use so early on. T2 will not be a appealing opening tier.
So all you can build then is utility units that support support units. The specilized units of axis will be more then a match for that.
One can also depend on call in inf such as guards and shocks like in the pre penal buff era.

Imo penals do not deserve to have side tech as long as cons require so many recources in side tech esp in this patch and still depend a great deal on doctrines just to be on par.
The sacthal and at satchel have enough drawbacks to be balanced as they are now imo.

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2019, 18:43 PMVipper

This is a wider problem and just focused on Soviets. Infantry power level has increased so much that building support weapon is almost not worth it. Ostheer are usually forced to built a HMG but UKF are better off not building one. That leaves the USF HMGs and that has more to do with "free" officer than anything else.

Point here is that Maxim issues has more to do with how easily VG counter it than anything else.

As for conscripts most of their issues also come from the St44 upgrade than anything else.

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2019, 17:54 PMVipper

Lowering the range of flame grenade or moving to SP. Imo that can fix allot of issues with maxims.

Removing the ST44 upgrade from VG or replacing it with MP40 can also help conscripts allot.

Better designing T1 can also help allot, changes could include:
lowering price for Penal replacing their weapon and giving them SVTs as weapon upgrade, removing PTRS upgrade and introducing a AT squad with PTRS if there actually a need for it.

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2019, 14:52 PMmiragefla

There might be a change where Mobilize Reserves either requires just the T4 or you can opt to go to buy it early at the cost of some resources like now with the grenade requirements. Idea is you can go stronger Conscripts earlier if you go a pure Con build at the cost of rushing LVs slower, though Soviets can go M5/Quad to compensate, or stall into T4 which means non-mass Conscript builds get stronger at end game tech.

Jump back to quoted post1 Sep 2019, 20:43 PMthedarkarmadillo

I agree with all of those save for the last point. Penals can keep the PTRS, if it's a mutual upgrade to the svt (kinda like fussiliers)

Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2019, 08:52 AMLago

I'm not sure this fear of Mobilize Reserves coming online at T3 is warranted. PPSh and SVT Conscripts come even earlier, as does pretty much every other weapon upgrade in the game.

Personally though, I'd leave it in T4 and ditch all the Conscript sidetechs. They were a good idea once, but with Penals undermining them (no sidetech needed for PTRS) all they do is a hamstring a squad that doesn't need to be hamstrung.

Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2019, 14:54 PMelchino7

Or you could make Penals have to pay for both satchel and PTRS in the same upgrade as conscripts do with molotovs and AT nades.

Mobilize reserves should be unlocked in T3 but have some of the bonus arrive only at T4, like the reduced reinforce cost.

Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2019, 15:15 PMStug life

how about u get the current upgrade minus the 7th man for 40 mun after unlocking tier 3 and at tier 4 u get a FREE 7th man upgrade for all cons ? or the opposite

Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2019, 18:08 PMRoastinGhost

What if the T3 mobilize upgrade decreased the price of T4? That means it still delays the T-70 but reduces the total cost back to what it had been.

Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2019, 20:17 PMGrumpy

Seems like that would work, assuming that it isn't too difficult to program.

Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2019, 20:17 PMGrumpy

Seems like that would work, assuming that it isn't too difficult to program.

Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2019, 15:22 PMelchino7

However mod team wants to split it, might work.

Right now the situation is:

-Mobilize is arriving too late.
-Mobilize arriving at T3 is too soon. Give it a cost.
-The cost is too much, it should be unlocked for free at T4.
-No one is gonna pay for the upgrade at T3.
-Go back to point 1.