Wehrmacht September patch discussion

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2019, 21:38 PMUnit G17

IR STGs for PGs indeed either should be available at BP3, or limited to only one. I mean compared to Obers that retain two of their rifles, a PG squad with 2 regular and two 2 IR STGs would be absolute terminators at mid range and lower. Or just make the PG variant weaker.

What about giving storms their old 4x stg package in place of the G43 upgrade? It was a lot stronger combined with tactical advance compared to their very limited range Mp40s.

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2019, 16:56 PMFarlion

I think it's time to accept the G43 option for PzGrens is just not going to work. Even with the update they're still not worth it, and given they start with Stgs it's just not appealing to go for semi-auto rifles with marginal better long-range DPS.

I think the option of giving them IR Stgs is probably the way to go.

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2019, 21:54 PMBalanced_Gamer

I would personally like to have that STG package available again for the Stormtroopers.

That is what made them unique, unfortunately a different path had been taken which I am really not a fan of. The IR StG is an interesting idea but I feel it might become too widespread, it was a very rare item.

Really do not even understand why they even had to remove that option anyway?

They could have simply left it there still as an option.

Jump back to quoted post28 Aug 2019, 23:07 PMMr. Someguy

They felt like Grenadiers that could upgrade to Panzergrenadiers. I wasn't impressed with them personally.

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2019, 05:11 AMUnit G17

They were identical to PGs with the STG upgrade with slightly lower target size and flipped vet2 and 3 bonuses. What made and would make the difference is the tactical advance ability on them.

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2019, 05:35 AMRaviloli

That's exactly the issue, with STGs they are nearly identical to PGs, and that isn't good for unit identity, but it's good riddance too, with STGs you could easily park and hide them on your enemy's retreat path, pop tactical advance on any retreating infantry and boom, you just got an easy squad wipe without too much effort, tactical advance is too good of an ability to be allowed on a weapon that's decent at all ranges.

Jump back to quoted post29 Aug 2019, 05:11 AMUnit G17

They were identical to PGs with the STG upgrade with slightly lower target size and flipped vet2 and 3 bonuses. What made and would make the difference is the tactical advance ability on them.

Ostheer

Leichte Mechanized Kompanie
To encourage T2 strategies and reduce the power of skiping tiers, we are moving the manpower discout for Ostheer tech to the Leichte Mechanize Kompanie.
- Manpower cost further reduced from 150 to 100

Battlephase 2
- Reverted manpower change from 150 back to 200

Tiger
The Tiger is having its AOE reduced on the outer edges to reduce it's killing power and to compensate for the tank's high accuracy against infantry.
- Far AOE from 0.175 to 0.15
- Far distance from 3.5 to 3

Panzergrenadier G43
We are reducing the cost of this upgrade to better reflect its current performance and trade-offs with the Panzergrenadier StG 44.
- Munition cost from 60 to 50

StuG Ausf. E
The StuG E is being moved into tech like other call-in vehicles. We have reduced the amount of CPs to compensate to encourage teching.
- CP requirement from 7 to 5
- Now requires Battlephase 2

Jump back to quoted post31 Aug 2019, 13:44 PMVipper

Panzergrenadier G43
StuG Ausf. E
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Replace TWP ability with something more useful.
Add direct fire MOD.

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2019, 10:11 AMVipper

How lowering the price of the 251 HT and making the upgrade to FHT cost manpower and fuel. That can help the balance both unit better.

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2019, 10:39 AMSmartie

+1 Thats exactly what i suggested 2 weeks before.
Imo its a no brainer- you would buff the base version of the 251 without making the flamethrower version stronger.

Jump back to quoted post31 Aug 2019, 13:44 PMVipper

StuG Ausf. E
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Replace TWP ability with something more useful.
Add direct fire MOD.

Jump back to quoted post6 Sep 2019, 10:43 AMVipper

Then credits to you.

Jump back to quoted post8 Sep 2019, 22:21 PMWiderstreit

Give 251 simply little more HP, so it needs 3 shots of PaKs. So the price of 30 fuel would fit well, as it is now.