I mentioned PzGrens, not Volks.
The Bar is better at long range where ST44 completely drops off , while the ST44 is around x117% at range 0. Its about x374% times better max range.
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I mentioned PzGrens, not Volks.
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1 bar > 2 volks stg
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The Bar is better at long range where ST44 completely drops off , while the ST44 is around x117% at range 0. Its about x374% times better max range.
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I think this should be "1 Bar + 1 M1 > 2 Volks STG".
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The STG is also 42% better at range 15. The comparison was and remains valid for the point being made.
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It like saying an smg is as good as carbine. The weapon simply have different profiles and the comparison is misleading.
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Do you consider the BAR overpowered or not?
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Yes it is. Its long DPS is too high for a weapon that can be fired on the move.
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??? g43 have no dps increase at long range tho like a bar do
I'll take that in good faith and assume you feel the same about FG-42s and G43s.
In any case, why not just edit the moving stats? Like the absurd 0.1 cooldown modifier on the move could be made 0.5. Movement accuracy to 0.6. Etc.
Most people aren't constantly moving their infantry around.
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??? g43 have no dps increase at long range tho like a bar do
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no bar does increase long range dps tho u even posted it, not lmg lvl tho, gren g43 unlike bar don't increase long range dps it's either the same or lower (on pgreen is another story)
I have no idea what you're trying to say. BAR DPS doesn't increase into long range like a MG42 or a M1919. It's a downwards scale. You're right that G43 DPS doesn't increase at long range either, but it also doesn't decrease with movement accuracy, which was his point.
Are you sure you aren't confusing the BAR with the M1919 LMG?
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no bar does increase long range dps tho u even posted it, not lmg lvl tho, gren g43 unlike bar don't increase long range dps it's either the same or lower (on pgreen is another story)
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I'll take that in good faith and assume you feel the same about FG-42s and G43s.
In any case, why not just edit the moving stats? Like the absurd 0.1 cooldown modifier on the move could be made 0.5. Movement accuracy to 0.6. Etc.
Most people aren't constantly moving their infantry around.
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The STG is also 42% better at range 15. The comparison was and remains valid for the point being made.
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Huh, I always thought BARs were stronger than that...
Thanks for posting the graph; I hadn't considered to compare the two before.
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Riflemen M1s are more effective at those ranges than volks kar98...
Bar as a weapon upgrade, it improves DPS at all ranges rather changing the whole squad profile
G43 moving accuracy is too high but this is different subject and F42 is an "elite" weapon but imo it need to get a non linear curve and imo it should be limited to 1-2.
Point here is that BARs makes great at all Riflemen at all ranges and on the move. What I am suggesting is making the weapon good at MID range so that riflemen do not bully LMG grenadiers at far nor will get get bullied by PGs at mid, for a lower cost.
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I agree with this. I'm kinda surprised at how poor pgrens perform ingame in comparison to BAR'd rifles (based on this graph). Maybe its the DPS drop off of 4 models vs 5 or because the BARs are retained until 2 models. Regardless I'd say this graph doesn't tell the whole story.
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With respect, this is pathetic reasoning. A single BAR is not going to overtake the DPS of a LMG gren squad in its proper range, and once you see double BARs it damned well better should overpower a 60mun 240MP investment. We've already nerfed USF IDF units and granted Grens a unique damage reduction bonus at vet 3, the rank by which you should be seeing double BARs anyway, if at all. This unit simply does not require any more babying.
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