For the Love Of God M1 Pack Howitzer

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2019, 02:37 AMMr.Flush

The ostheer mortar is more powerful than the usf mortar. The further you go in the ladder the less you will see of the usf mortar. It's a 240 man power unit that has way too much rng to be reliable. It is reliable at missing mgs with its barrage, and if the barrage misses your suppressed rifles or echelon have to retreat. Usf don't have pios with superb vision.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2019, 01:56 AMMr.Flush

If your opponent went with a sniper build, your mortar is useless. If he builds a mortar, your mortar gets countered. It is the same if you try to counter a pak Howie with the ostheer mortar to a lesser degree, of course.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2019, 02:40 AMShadowLinkX37

The USF mortar is a literal clone of the OST mortar but with faster pack up/tear down time in exchange for 5 range.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2019, 02:40 AMthedarkarmadillo

Try using the right tools for the job then. If your rifles and RE are suppressed using smoke will stop them from getting pinned. Relying on the HE barrage which is literally RNG when a reliable alternative exists and complaining about seems foolish if you ask me.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2019, 02:54 AMMr.Flush

My question to you is what are you going to do once you smoke the mg in a narrow map without grenades?

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2019, 01:56 AMMr.Flush

The wehr mortar is above the usf mortar, and usf don't have mgs to stop enemies from pushing.
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...You don't know ,as Usf, if ostheer is going to open with mgs or opening with a sniper build. Obviously in 1's you can outcap your enemy,but In 2's and up building a mortar is suicidal vs similarly skilled players. If your opponent went with a sniper build, your mortar is useless. If he builds a mortar, your mortar gets countered. It is the same if you try to counter a pak Howie with the ostheer mortar to a lesser degree, of course.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jul 2019, 10:51 AMVipper

2 hmg 2 PG means nothing to deal with vehicles so an m20 (or a WC51) will have a field day and one will bleed like hell.

It also requires playing for around 4 minute with 3 units.

Finally I have repeatedly pointed out that strong units should not be available early because it leads to snowball effects.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2019, 02:59 AMMazianni

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I completely agree about strong units coming out too soon though, PzGrens are probably the quickest elite infantry to deploy ingame and can shut down light vehicle play all by themselves.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2019, 03:00 AMdistrofio

you spelled P-E-N-U-L-S wrong.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2019, 02:58 AMdistrofio

Funny ´cause there was a recent poll about HMGs and .50 cal is the second best one (the best one on allied) and USF mortar is a clone of wher one with a little range nerf only.


Because as USF you dont open your game with a mortar, but its there to get it as soon as the game starts. Its an auxiliary tool, not a main unit, even ost hast to build T1 to have mortars, USF dont.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2019, 02:40 AMShadowLinkX37

I don't know where you two are getting your ideas about what the mortars are. The USF mortar is a literal clone of the OST mortar but with faster pack up/tear down time in exchange for 5 range.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2019, 02:59 AMMazianni

Losing to WC51 as Ostheer sounds like l2p issue. You've got snares, the MG42 and PzGrens all capable of killing it easily. Same with the M20, which also means your opponent has nothing to stop a 251 or 222 besides the LT.

I completely agree about strong units coming out too soon though, PzGrens are probably the quickest elite infantry to deploy ingame and can shut down light vehicle play all by themselves.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2019, 06:28 AMEsxile

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Aside from that usf mortar is out of meta ATM, you really need to face someone playing super defensive early game to need it. As mentioned above Pak will do the job better in 90% of cases.

Jump back to quoted post9 Jul 2019, 10:46 AMdistrofio

Pak howie's are effective against static and doesn't mean you dont get an hmg, because you are the one pushing the enemies.