Move Conscripts 7th man from t4 to t3?

Jump back to quoted post16 Jun 2019, 00:50 AMFarlion

The problem here is that once again Soviets would be balanced to match OKW, without considering what the buffs would do to a match-up against Wehrmacht.

Grens are already in a difficult spot, having swarms of 7 man conscripts running around in combination with a T-70 would easily clear Wehrmacht players off the field.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jun 2019, 06:46 AMthedarkarmadillo

I've said for some time that Soviet tiers should be chock full of REASONABLE side techs to keep cons up to snuff (so no 25 fuel 125mp for basics bull shit) and I think at t3 for (now) standard 15 fu and 80 mp on top of taking their weapon slot and costing munitions would be enough.

Jump back to quoted post15 Jun 2019, 19:33 PMaerafield

Maybe it's too early to say but the new Conscript upgrade feels good and useful BUT at same time utterly pointless cuz it arrives too late.

Jump back to quoted post15 Jun 2019, 22:01 PMKatitof

Was it up to me, it would be T3 unlock with side cost of 20-30 fuel associated.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jun 2019, 14:19 PMKoRneY

Thank God that's not the case.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jun 2019, 11:17 AMWarspite

Last checked 7-man conscripts could not beat LMG Grens with both in green cover unless they got really, really lucky and you have PG's now..

Jump back to quoted post15 Jun 2019, 22:01 PMKatitof

Was it up to me, it would be T3 unlock with side cost of 20-30 fuel associated.

Jump back to quoted post15 Jun 2019, 22:01 PMKatitof

Was it up to me, it would be T3 unlock with side cost of 20-30 fuel associated.

T3 240MP / 85FU

New: "T3.5 side-tech" 50MP / 20FU
- Unlocks 7 men Cons upgrade

T4 240MP / 90FU -> 190MP / 70FU (-50/20)
- requires T3.5 researched

Jump back to quoted post16 Jun 2019, 17:27 PMFarlion

Good thing Conscripts don't have anything to force LMG Grens out of cover.

Also, Wehrmacht had PzGrens before, I'm not sure what your point is.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jun 2019, 18:02 PMSander93

Assuming the upgrade does need to come sooner (and that's still just an assumption at this point imo), one way to avoid the coinciding with the T-70 powerspike at T3 (which is one of the reasons it was placed in T4) would be to introduce a battlephase-esque side-tech in T3 (like the secondary unlock for USF techs) that unlocks the 7 men Cons upgrade.

The cost of this side-tech would be deducted from the cost of T4 and the upgrade would be a requirement to put up T4. This way the Cons upgrade could come a bit sooner while keeping the exact same timings/costs for tech.

One downside of this is that it effectively does nothing for non-Con builds, but then again that is also how most of the Battlephases for Ostheer work (some give an upgrade for some units, some give access to other units, some just do nothing).

So for example:


Again though, that's assuming the upgrade needs to come sooner. We're going to need a few weeks of testing to get a good (objective) feel for it before meddling with this imo.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jun 2019, 18:11 PMWarspite

PGens got more accessible and buffed , no? And good thing cons dont lose half the models rushing to throw the molotov

Jump back to quoted post18 Jun 2019, 12:11 PMAcidfreak

Other than merging i got no significant use of 7 man cons. Especially if the enemy is blobbing sturms and panzerfusilliers, and if ots ostheer shreck panzergrenadiers with mg42. Cons are just lackluster. They lack the speed in throwing molotov compared with incendiary grenade of volks. Stg volks are so op. Also for ppl complaining of power spike at t3 with t70. Man it just gets recked by a teller mine. And with early pzgrens it take 2 shrecks and its gone. T70 is so useless now.

Jump back to quoted post16 Jun 2019, 00:50 AMFarlion

The problem here is that once again Soviets would be balanced to match OKW, without considering what the buffs would do to a match-up against Wehrmacht.

Grens are already in a difficult spot, having swarms of 7 man conscripts running around in combination with a T-70 would easily clear Wehrmacht players off the field.