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6 man 2 lmg squad already strong
even they have "hit the dirt" skill
It would be good to change their base weapon to SVT if u think they are weak
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No, not strong. As you here do not claim that the Guard OP, they are not in the game, they are not used. People use Penals and Shock Troops. In the current state, they are at least somehow viable, if left with the current "worst in the game" of the DP-27 and PTRS without any kind of strong ability - this is death for the Guard.
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6 man 2 lmg squad already strong
even they have "hit the dirt" skill
It would be good to change their base weapon to SVT if u think they are weak
i dont think so they need stun skill
they already have button vehicle
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Guards AI is currently close to that of Obers the fact that they might or might not be used does not mean that they "somehow viable".
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you gonna ignore the fact that these 2 LMGs are as strong as SINGLE axis lmg?
you don't seem to know what guard HTD does, why have you mentioned it at all?
SVTs would nerf them
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u ignored they are 6 man infantry and have "hit the dirt" skill
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Katitof's point, if I've understood it, is that Hit The Dirt is an ability that synergises with long range weapons. It buffs your durability but prevents you from moving. Good for winning a long range cover fight, bad for dodging a bundle nade dropped on your head.
SVTs are mid to short range weapons which do not synergise with optimal positioning for Hit The Dirt.
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u ignored they are 6 man infantry and have "hit the dirt" skill
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Katitof's point, if I've understood it, is that Hit The Dirt is an ability that synergises with long range weapons. It buffs your durability but prevents you from moving. Good for winning a long range cover fight, bad for dodging a bundle nade dropped on your head.
SVTs are mid to short range weapons which do not synergise with optimal positioning for Hit The Dirt.
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Who's idea was it to make two identical abilities do two completely different things?
For all DPB's improvements, it made some weird design decisions and a lot of flat out terrible UX ones.
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Or just cut all these unnecessary chaff abilities that don't really add anything.
All they serve to do is increase the learning curve without adding any real depth.
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Rename Penals to Rifles and I'm happy. I hate that they're called penals.
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+1
Rename them whatever the Russian word for riflemen or rifleman or rifle squad or something similar.
“Strelky” or something like that.
This design suggestion is suggestion, which requires to add new portraits to the game. But will make game a little bit better (i believe in that)!
Some months ago i and Mr.Someguy have a little conversation in QoL thread about penals design. Then we agreed, that this suggestion is not in high priority. BUT, i think it need to be added, because it easy to solve, and it is the only BIG element of stereotypes about Red Army in the multiplayer.
Now, when penals drastically changed their role on the field from assault unit with good anti-garrison/anti-building capabilities to good anti-infantry squad with meh anti-tank capabilities, i think they can drastically change their face too
Why i suggest it:
1. Now community making patches. IOW this suggestion will reach guys, who make patches.
2. TheMashine in comments under his video about PTRS-41 Penals agreed, that Penals never used as mainline infantry.
3. Penals works like regular infantry squad. As many people mentioned, conscripts is for support, and use them as mainline infantry not the main variant.
4. Red Army doesn't have regular infantry in the tech. Conscripts not a regularly infantry, Guards and Shocktroopers are elite infantry.
5. Other factions don't have cliche units in their teching or doctrines (Maybe except osttruppen).
How this change can be added to the game?
1. We take model of guards without green coat and give it to "penals". It looks like on the screens below(don't look om abilities and etc, only 3D model matters):
2. Rename them in the "Strelky" (Riflemen in russian), or Riflemen, or Regular Infantry Squad.
3. Change their portrait to match with new model.
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Thank you, but it's not new model, just an old unused 3D model from gamefiles.
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