Although the sample is small I would be interested to see how Penal with 2 vickers do. When I did some test they where doing quite good.
I can do it just for science, but it should not enter in the tier list.
[TEST] Best Long Range Anti Infantry Unit
8 Mar 2019, 15:48 PM
#61
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I can do it just for science, but it should not enter in the tier list.
10 Mar 2019, 22:31 PM
#62
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One should also test Heavy Sapper with 3 Vickers K
10 Mar 2019, 22:40 PM
#63
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One should also test Heavy Sapper with 3 Vickers K
And sections with double Vickers K
14 Mar 2019, 07:53 AM
#64
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One should also test Heavy Sapper with 3 Vickers K
Sappers with 1 Vickers and 2 Brens were added to the list.
Penals with 2 Vickers lost vs Guards, but won vs Rangers with 3 Bars but I won't put in the list.
And by the way Vickers and Brens have the same dps, so whatever.
14 Mar 2019, 08:42 AM
#65
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Sappers with 1 Vickers and 2 Brens were added to the list.
Penals with 2 Vickers lost vs Guards, but won vs Rangers with 3 Bars but I won't put in the list.
And by the way Vickers and Brens have the same dps, so whatever.
Not according to Cruzz, Vickers has better stat at long range a bit worse at sort.
In addition bren are limited to 1 for R.E.
Do you mean engineers or heavy engineers?
As for Penals so much for the durability argument if they can beat Ranger one of the most durable squads.
14 Mar 2019, 11:28 AM
#66
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are u sure about that ? didn't they revert the change when they nerfed bren ? just yesterday i m quite sure i put 2 bren on RE
Not according to Cruzz, Vickers has better stat at long range a bit worse at sort.
In addition bren are limited to 1 for R.E.
Do you mean engineers or heavy engineers?
As for Penals so much for the durability argument if they can beat Ranger one of the most durable squads.
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14 Mar 2019, 12:11 PM
#67
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are u sure about that ? didn't they revert the change when they nerfed bren ? just yesterday i m quite sure i put 2 bren on RE
You are right it was reverted. Thanks
The Vicker K though should still be superior to Bren so heavy sapper with 3 Vickers K should superior to 2+1.
tommy_bren_light_machine_gun_mp 4.7/5.6/6.2/6.8
sapper_vickers_k_machine_gun_mp 4.3/5.5/6.7/7.7
the weapon should be around 1.8 more far dps.
14 Mar 2019, 12:32 PM
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As for Penals so much for the durability argument if they can beat Ranger one of the most durable squads.
Penals are meant to fight at long range and LMGs aren't exactly accessible for them outside of special circumstance.
Rangers, not so much.
If 3 bar rangers were anything more then a factual possibility, they would actually be used this way and I have never seen them used that way outside of vacuum tests.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
14 Mar 2019, 12:44 PM
#69
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Penals are meant to fight at long range and LMGs aren't exactly accessible for them outside of special circumstance.
Rangers, not so much.
If 3 bar rangers were anything more then a factual possibility, they would actually be used this way and I have never seen them used that way outside of vacuum tests.
Actually Penals can fight in most ranges since their weapons are good at all ranges.
The fact remains that according to this test they rank 4 as the long range unit above units like LMG paras.
Your theory that because you have not seen something it is not good, has simply gone out the window, when you insisted that Dshk was crap and needed a buff for years (because no one used it), only to be proven completely wrong when it dominated the meta for several months before they had to nerf it.
Have nice day bb.
14 Mar 2019, 12:50 PM
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Your theory that because you have not seen something it is not good, has simply gone out the window, when you insisted that Dshk was crap and needed a buff for years (because no one used it), only to be proven completely wrong when it dominated the meta for several months before they had to nerf it.
....
We're not talking about DSHK, we're talking about 3 bar rangers.
In context of 3 bar rangers what you've just said is steaming pile of bullshit and you are 100% aware of it.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
14 Mar 2019, 12:55 PM
#71
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....
In context of 3 bar rangers that it steaming pile of bullshit and you are 100% aware of it.
And you are simply trying to derail the thread going about 3 Bar ranges, ignoring that fact that according to this test 3 Bar Ranges are better than LMG paras and 2 Vicker K Penal are better than Rangers, although being allot cheaper than both units.
Now have a nice day.
14 Mar 2019, 13:54 PM
#72
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Interesting test, tho Im not quite sure what it's supposed to tell us?
Some of these units are not made for pure cover engagements (e. g. Jaeger command squad, fusiliers, riflemen) and you arent supposed to fight these powerful cover squads like Obers or JLI in this way, you are supposed to assault and charge these squads
Some of these units are not made for pure cover engagements (e. g. Jaeger command squad, fusiliers, riflemen) and you arent supposed to fight these powerful cover squads like Obers or JLI in this way, you are supposed to assault and charge these squads
14 Mar 2019, 14:06 PM
#73
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Seems like just a long range test, everything else is just CoH.
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14 Mar 2019, 19:28 PM
#74
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To be fair, Penals with double vickers is just a theory craft squad, since in 1v1 is impossible to be possible LUL
I will test the double Vickers in Sections them to see if there is any difference.
This is a long-range test. Why would you assault in a Long range test?
These units are on the list because they are best in the long range, If they are supposed to assault is up to you to decide.
Even better, this test helps you to decide if you should close in or remain in the long range, or just retreat.
I will test the double Vickers in Sections them to see if there is any difference.
This is a long-range test. Why would you assault in a Long range test?
These units are on the list because they are best in the long range, If they are supposed to assault is up to you to decide.
Even better, this test helps you to decide if you should close in or remain in the long range, or just retreat.
15 Mar 2019, 16:48 PM
#75
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I test the Vickers, did the same thing as Brens, a little better but not much enough to beat the other units in the higher tier.
20 Mar 2019, 14:56 PM
#76
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SU Guard Rifle Infantry are the best Long range unit in game in my opinion. Their 2x PTRS deals 27 damage each upon infantry unit (surprisingly hits frequently compared to Penals PTRS that hardly hits), in addition have upgrade to 2x LMG DP28 to finish off weak guys. Great addition to AI capabilites.
Even better against vehicles too, not only against AI but also AT.
Guard Rifle Infantry is definitely a Blob hardest to counter Long Range especially with vehicles making it the most versatile unit there is.
Even better against vehicles too, not only against AI but also AT.
Guard Rifle Infantry is definitely a Blob hardest to counter Long Range especially with vehicles making it the most versatile unit there is.
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24 Mar 2019, 13:00 PM
#77
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Where do G43 grenadiers and G43 panzergrendiers (they get 3) fit in this tier list?
24 Mar 2019, 13:09 PM
#78
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Where do G43 grenadiers and G43 panzergrendiers (they get 3) fit in this tier list?
Somewhere below MG42 grens
24 Mar 2019, 13:40 PM
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Where do G43 grenadiers and G43 panzergrendiers (they get 3) fit in this tier list?
They do not fit anywhere on a list for long range units, as the G43 is a near/mid range and mobility upgrade.
25 Mar 2019, 20:34 PM
#80
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Where do G43 grenadiers and G43 panzergrendiers (they get 3) fit in this tier list?
G43s should be anywhere near Panzerfusiliers or Jaeger Command Squad, MG42 grenadiers have way more DPS at long range.
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