Can we adjust the Scott already?

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2019, 20:32 PMdistrofio

Your definition of durable exceeds its normal values. Firstly you use it equally as tough, wich scotts are not, but secondly you ignore the facts that scotts have higher HP than any other mobile light arty. As for it takes 3 shots it means you have plenty of time to retreat, since the normal ambush uses 2 AT guns at most. Lastly because scotts have such a high performance in other role than their intrnded role (indirect fire cover) OP asked for a discussion. Not its durability, not his mobility, but its AI autoattack power. Nice derail there tho.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2019, 17:40 PMferwiner

Extremly durable? Come on. You can call KT durable (not extremely durable), an elefant, or IS-2. But definitely not the scott. If the scott is extremely durable then how do I describe an average medium like sherman or p4? Indestructible?

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2019, 17:23 PMVipper

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You are truing to described the Scott as a fragile vehicle, it is not. It actually one of the most difficult to kill indirect fire unit.

The Scott is extremely durable, very mobile while being more effective than the majority of "mortar" weapons having able to hit moving target and having a kill radius of 1.25.
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Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2019, 22:56 PMVipper

Now read the whole related post:


Try to compare it with the other units you brought up like mortar half-trucks and Stuka and you will see that it is extremely durable and very hard to kill.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2019, 14:53 PMSeductiveCardbordBox

If it was made any worse there would be no reason to build one. You'd be better off with a mortar, or a mortar HT.

It's a budget Brummbar that dies to a stiff breeze. For 70 fuel it should - and does - preform acceptably against infantry.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2019, 23:04 PMferwiner

Scott is quite a unique niche unit. There are only two other units that are somewhat comparable to it. One is brummbar, the other is stug-e. Neither of these is less durable than a scott.

You can't compare durability of the scott to rocket trucks as it simply is not one. What it is is an ISG mounted on a light tank. That is why there isn't a single unit directly comparable to it.

Jump back to quoted post4 Mar 2019, 00:18 AMaerafield

Scott is extremely annoying if more than 1 is on the field cuz it's too durable. Decrease the health from 400 to 320 or 240 and replace the vet 1 smoke with something like more range on smoke barrage. It's just silly how shit your micro can be with this unit yet it survives the craziest situations cuz of 400hp + smoke. Show Spoiler

(Or players just dont care cuz scott is kinda cheap?)

Then its lethality can stay as it is IMO.


And I'm sorry but I have the feeling people who think scott is fine never played vs top players who got at least 2 scotts... and dont know how infuriating it usually is to play vs that. You literally cant destroy them atm if the enemy's micro is above 5 clicks per minute.

Jump back to quoted post4 Mar 2019, 01:32 AMMr.Flush

There is a way to adjust the scott to make both sides happy: Add white phosphorus or incendiary barrage to its barrage then nerf or remove its auto-fire. It also needs to be able to kill bunkers with ease too.

Jump back to quoted post4 Mar 2019, 00:10 AMVipper

I am glad that we got past the theories that is comparable to rocket arty and MHTs.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2019, 17:23 PMVipper

You are truing to described the Scott as a fragile vehicle, it is not. It actually one of the most difficult to kill indirect fire unit.

The Scott is extremely durable, very mobile while being more effective than the majority of "mortar" weapons having able to hit moving target and having a kill radius of 1.25.

Jump back to quoted post4 Mar 2019, 02:42 AMShadowLinkX37

I don't think the scott is fine, but how do OST players at top levels even deal with 2x scotts? If you have LMG grens, they need to remain stationary to fire which is asking to get shot at, 4 men squads prone to explosive issues, and you can't rak cloak cheese.

Jump back to quoted post4 Mar 2019, 07:02 AMDoomlord52

Pretty much this. On paper, the scott is reasonably fine; but in practice it basically hard-counters OST.

If you're getting pushed by 3-4 rifle squads, you pretty much need to rely on your support weapons and LMG grens to counter them; but all of those units NEED to stay still in order to be effective... which means they're destroyed by the scotts; and if you move, the rifle squads close in and destroy your units. Sure, you can try to dive the scotts with Mediums/TDs, but that means hoping you don't get hit by bazookas/AT/M36s. It's just not a reliable counter.

All the scott needs is an increase on 'micro-tax'. Reducing the auto-fire range to half (or something like that) of what it is now, and the unit is basically fixed. It's still just as strong as before, but requires micro for it to be effective. That would also bring it in line with all the other units of that roll (STUG-E, Brumbar), which basically require manual attack-ground commands to work.

Jump back to quoted post4 Mar 2019, 05:57 AMSkysTheLimit

By we do you mean you?

Jump back to quoted post4 Mar 2019, 05:57 AMSkysTheLimit

The Scott is great. But the last thing I would nerf is it's durability. Its range is the reason it's durable. Just lengthen the reload of auto-fire, and maybe increase it's on-the-move penalty

Jump back to quoted post4 Mar 2019, 07:59 AMSeductiveCardbordBox

Nothing that a pair of Mortar HTs wouldn't achieve at half the price, at an earlier time in the game, only with access to WP for bonus machine gun hate.

The main gun on the scott does not outrange AT guns on autofire and the shell arc firing over obstacles gives the rounds plenty of travel time before they land. For 70 fuel invested over a Pack Howitzer (which brings considerably more hurt) it gets to be as durable as a Greyhound.

If a pair of them are laying into you thats 140fuel in the pot with zero AT potential. You should be able to work your counters appropriately.

The scott is good but it's also major tech, has a modest AoE and the barrage is only a polite request for a unit to move. Its AI falls well brlow the StuG E and Brum, it can't bounce anything, and anybody telling you to circle AT guns with it is a German trying to sabotage the allied war effort.