Can we adjust the Scott already?

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2019, 16:18 PMferwiner

Stuka zu fuss is the ultimate counter to team weapons, because you never can move them in time. What is more, other types of rocket artillery have to shoot at minimal range to be sure they score a wipe against even a single team weapon. Stuka can and will score two at full range, even if your units are spaced out properly just because the line of fire is so long. That makes it the perfect counter to AT guns.

On the other hand mortrars, ISGs and scott can only damage team weapons, but not wipe them, because even if the owner of the weapon reacts after being hit for the first time, he still is going to easily pack up and save the squad. That makes a huge difference for veterancy and manpower cost of being shot at. What is more, the scott can't really engage AT guns, as it will be in their range when firing.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2019, 16:07 PMdk828315

And what’s all the fuss about the fuss (puns intended)? It is a super expensive rocket arty that dies in 1 tank shot and is only reliable in countering emplacements or static weapon teams, you have to be deaf to not hear its firing sound. Seriously, just move your infantry a bit and most often it will end up creating cover, not wiping your men.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2019, 16:23 PMVipper

Comparison between Rocket artillery and Scott is misleading, they units work differently.

That is incorrect Scott can barrage ATG from outside the ATGs range. It can even circle strafe an ATG if it is unsupported.

And Scott has a kill radius of 1.27 compared to the 0 kill radius mortars have, it should had probably gotten the same nerf all mortars got.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2019, 16:40 PMferwiner

Of course it is inaccurate. But you can't avoid the comparison when OP is forcing it. That is also why the main comparison is between stuka and other rocket artillery types.

As for countering AT guns, well it has barrage with better range but that has never done anything to an AT gun other than making it to reposition slightly. It won't kill the AT gun even if its owner sits there the whole barrage, which makes it pretty useless at countering them. The strength of the scott is its auto-fire and that is what I was refering to. Also, circle strafing AT guns is great when you are a sherman, but when you are a little paper ISG on wheels and will die to one or two shots it is quite an overextension.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2019, 16:49 PMVipper

Again you are incorrect the Scott has 400 HP and an ATG need 3 shot to kill it. In addition it has access to smoke,of the "free jail card"some people like to call it. It actually pretty difficult to lose a Scott to an ATG.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2019, 17:07 PMferwiner

Yeah, exactly. It has 400HP which means it dies to a light breeze. The fact that AT gun needs 3 shots is not really important as it is circle strafed in your example. So it is some, possibly heavy, TD that will shoot at the scott while strafing, or it will just simply hit a teller.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2019, 17:23 PMVipper

You are truing to described the Scott as a fragile vehicle, it is not. It actually one of the most difficult to kill indirect fire unit.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2019, 17:23 PMVipper

Ok if in your opinion 400 HP is a light breeze than rocket artillery with 160 HP dies to Spontaneous self combustion.

You are truing to described the Scott as a fragile vehicle, it is not. It actually one of the most difficult to kill indirect fire unit.

The Scott is extremely durable, very mobile while being more effective than the majority of "mortar" weapons having able to hit moving target and having a kill radius of 1.25.

In the latest patch it can also be protected by a wall of ATG, HMGs and strong infatry.
(Actually Scott is only one of the USF that need to be looked at, with the new faction tree)

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2019, 15:15 PMVipper

Scott is not a mortar since the trajectory it uses and projectile speed allows the unit to hit even moving targets.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2019, 17:40 PMferwiner

Extremly durable? Come on. You can call KT durable (not extremely durable), an elefant, or IS-2. But definitely not the scott. If the scott is extremely durable then how do I describe an average medium like sherman or p4? Indestructible?

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2019, 15:56 PMVipper

Again it is not mortar HT it far better vs moving targets and it allot tougher. The combination of of good damage output and tenacity is simply too high.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2019, 17:40 PMferwiner

Extremly durable?

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2019, 17:40 PMferwiner

Extremly durable? Come on. You can call KT durable (not extremely durable), an elefant, or IS-2. But definitely not the scott. If the scott is extremely durable then how do I describe an average medium like sherman or p4? Indestructible?

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2019, 18:13 PMelchino7

If you took 10s to read and understand before jumping to conclusions you would had read that i said: "IF you nerf the direct fire mode". I'm sure you know how low arc indirect fire units had been nerfed in the past and how they behave now.
If the units is not built and effective on direct fire mode, it might as well be a MHT on last tier. Which is why i said, it's probably better to go with the same type of nerf as the Brummbear received (lower range) but in a more drastic way, but improved and give more alternatives in the barrage department.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2019, 19:07 PMblvckdream

Again it has 400 HP + smoke + it shoots over shot blockers with good range. Unless the USF player micros them very badly Scotts are almost impossible to kill if both sides have an equal army size and the opponent can´t completly overrun all your units with several tanks. The only really effective options to kill them are Ele with spotting scopes or Rak cheese.

I am not saying Scotts are generally OP by the way, just that it´s hard to counter them because of mobility, decent HP and smoke.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2019, 19:07 PMblvckdream

Again it has 400 HP + smoke + it shoots over shot blockers with good range. Unless the USF player micros them very badly Scotts are almost impossible to kill if both sides have an equal army size and the opponent can´t completly overrun all your units with several tanks. The only really effective options to kill them are Ele with spotting scopes or Rak cheese.

I am not saying Scotts are generally OP by the way, just that it´s hard to counter them because of mobility, decent HP and smoke.

Jump back to quoted post3 Mar 2019, 20:10 PMferwiner

Of course. All indirect fire units are hard to kill when they use their range. And nobody says it is not the case. The problem is that vipper happened to mention that they are extremely durable, which has nothing to do with staying behind the lines, and that they are great at circle strafing AT guns, which is exactly how you throw a scott.

I'm not saying scott is right or wrong. I'm just saying it is not what some members in this thread belive it is.