Recon Support this patch

Jump back to quoted post13 Feb 2019, 18:42 PMJae For Jett

If its like aoe, then that would be the case. Like for the ST the AOE is 14 (I think). The far aoe is 8. This means that theres the standard linear falloff from the mid (forgot the number) aoe distance to the far aoe distance of 8. From 8-14, the far aoe distance values are used. It just so happens that for most explosives, the aoe distance and the far aoe distance are the same.

So yeah, if raw range works the same way (with a general range value, in addition to the close, mid, and far range values) and the vet bonus only applies to the general range value, then derbyhat would be correct. Cruzz's DPS spreadsheet, at least, claims that this is how the range increase is implemented.

Jump back to quoted post13 Feb 2019, 18:46 PMJibberJabberJobber

The point of this thread is to discuss if earlier timing should come with higher prices for Recon Support.

Jump back to quoted post13 Feb 2019, 21:28 PMVipper

Units like the Tiger have a max range of 45 for auto-fire but only auto-fire up to far range which is 40 (until the get the vet range bonus)

Jump back to quoted post13 Feb 2019, 21:34 PMJae For Jett

So you're saying the tiger wont automatically fire on units at ranges 41-45? Is that really true, I haven't noticed it, but could obviously be wrong.

Anyway, the way cruzz's sheet has these ranges set is consistent, makes sense, and lines up with what I have observed about the game.

Jump back to quoted post13 Feb 2019, 21:28 PMVipper

The question is weather the modifier applies to max range or far range and if small arm actually fire up to max range or to far range (or what ever is higher than the 2).

So the situation is a bit unclear.

Jump back to quoted post13 Feb 2019, 23:15 PMTobis

It 100% works to increase the accuracy on ballistic weapons, I see no reason why it wouldn't technically work the same for small arms.

Jump back to quoted post14 Feb 2019, 04:44 AMClarity

Or honestly tie the M8 Greyhound to tech and require either the LT or Capt + Motor Pool upgrade in order to build the Greyhound. That way it might work better in team games but not be as spammy in 1v1.

Jump back to quoted post14 Feb 2019, 04:44 AMClarity

Or honestly tie the M8 Greyhound to tech and require either the LT or Capt + Motor Pool upgrade in order to build the Greyhound. That way it might work better in team games but not be as spammy in 1v1.

Jump back to quoted post14 Feb 2019, 09:41 AMJibberJabberJobber

The meta is already M20 into M8 spam. Tying it to a motor pool upgrade would result in people skipping the M20 and going straight for the M8's. This would mean Axis has to fight pseudo T70's with far cheaper tech at a far earlier point in the game. Or do you mean something else?

Jump back to quoted post14 Feb 2019, 09:58 AMKatitof

Puma.
M8, even a pair or three can do literally nothing to it.

Jump back to quoted post14 Feb 2019, 10:11 AMSupremeStefan

But somehow no one spam luchs evrytime.
Light tank and at gun combo means nothing. Its like saying panzer and at gun combo is op.
Grayhound need to be in tech and bulid time must be slow thats it

Jump back to quoted post14 Feb 2019, 10:16 AMSander93

I don't know why you are drawing this comparison. The Luchs isn't nearly as powerful AI wise and OKW's ATG will cost them 270 MP while the dropped ATG is basically free (only some muni cost).

Tying the M8 to tech is not the solution as that would make it come way too early. Or it would still have the 4 CP requirement, but that would make things weird since all other commander units tied to tech are at 0 CP.


I don't think there's anything wrong with the M8 at 4 CP as long as the ATG drop is removed so the doctrine has way less synergy and snowballing potential.

Jump back to quoted post14 Feb 2019, 10:27 AMSupremeStefan

What about mg drop instead at gun and dont touch grayhound

Jump back to quoted post14 Feb 2019, 12:43 PMVipper

Actually since the USF tech has become cheaper there little reason for dropping weapons in this commander.

Airborne can have both weapon drops in one ability that is brought inline with similar abilities (like the osttruppen one)and thus gain a free slot and reduce overlap.