Why Soviets can´t build bunkers?

Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2018, 14:35 PMKatitof

Soviets are designed as offensive faction, therefore no fortifications.

Spammed bunkers are also a good waste of resources if you bring in penals with satchels to destroy them.

Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2018, 14:33 PMAntAttack

I would like if Soviets could build bunkers.
Wermacht bunkers are much strong then an Soviet halftrack. Wermacht can spam bunkers... Why can´t Soviets?

Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2018, 14:44 PMCrecer13

Now all the factions are gone from the initial concept. And the Soviets must have bunkers. And it would be nice to have such options in the back-up docherty:
- Casemate artillery installation DOT-4. 45-mm tank gun 20-K, coupled with a DS-39 machine gun on a casemate gun carriage, equipped with an optical sight KT-1.
  - Casemate artillery installation L-17. The L-17 installation consists of a 76-mm tank gun L-11 on a casemate gun mount with a KT-4 optical sight. Because of the short barrel, she could shoot as Stug E.
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Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2018, 14:48 PMKatitof

No, the initial faction theme is still there and isn't going anywhere for all factions.
What we are done with is different factions being stronger/weaker at different game stages - that is gone forever and for a good measure.

We're playing soviets who were on the constant offense in coh2 while it was wehrmacht which was on defense and both factions keep that feeling.

Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2018, 14:52 PMCrecer13

Say it to the OKW: which should be a resource hunger but therefore have 5 levels of veterans. Now there is only a shadow left of this concept: the lack of resources caches.

Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2018, 14:48 PMBeastHunter

Why do you compare the bunker to the Soviet halftracks?

Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2018, 14:50 PMAntAttack

I would like that at least a Soviet commander was designed to build bunkers...
I know it´s a game but historically Soviets build bunkers a lot also: Moscow, Leninegrad, Kursk... and so on.
I like to play multiplayer and I act often as a support player: defending territory with mg´s inside buildings, building fuel and ammo caches, flanking axis on less expected part of the map.
Mainly on maps with no buildings at all or only some weak wood buildings, I would like to build 1,2 or 3 bunkers to keep and defend territory while micromanaging infantary or tanks on other parts of the map...
Just a feeling...
Sometimes it´s really hard to destroy a wermacht bunker with penals if the bunker is protected with one or two squads of infantary.
Also i feel okw bunkers are overpowered and impossible to destroy with one or 2 light tanks or even with an su76 (su76 has no range enough to avoid being destroyed by okw bunker)

Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2018, 15:13 PMblvckdream

Also what do you mean when you say OKW bunkers? They have the same bunkers (doctrinally) as Ostheer. Do you mean the AA emplacements?

Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2018, 14:48 PMBeastHunter

If you want an equivalent to the axis binker you should build sandbag positions and place maxims behind it it.

Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2018, 15:28 PMferwiner

Btw, I knew this would come up now with so many new players. Honestly, that was the first question I asked myself when playing beta. I mean, they even have the model that is used in soviet base. You need to understand the game a bit more to know why developers didn't give bunkers to soviets. I did. You are going to as well.

Jump back to quoted post8 Dec 2018, 15:40 PMAntAttack

I´m not a new player. I play the game since preorder. I´m not very good but I´m an avarage player (and sometimes a good player). But I have some limits (i can´t play with keyboard; i only play with the mouse)= I have 52 yo. It´s not easy to me to learn to play otherwise.

But I feel a lot of times that soviet infantary (enginners and conscripts) and some tanks (t34/85 and IS2) are underpowered. I feel that bunkers could help more to defend conquered territory that otherwise is hard to defend..

Jump back to quoted post10 Dec 2018, 17:54 PMRoastinGhost

I think doctrinal bunkers would be cool. I would put them in Defensive Tactics like this:

1 Defensive Construction (MG Bunkers, PMD-6 mines, Tank Traps)
2 HM-38
2 M-45
5 Conscript Repair
8 152mm Barrage (like USF 155mm)

Jump back to quoted post12 Dec 2018, 19:30 PMButcher

I'm confused. Are we talking about the concrete bunkers in the new Def doctrine or the regular Ost bunkers (holes with wood) that we have since release? For the latter we already have the skin/ unit. It's in the Russki base.