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Also, it is rather historical accurate - HE-shells were produced with less propellent chardge to save space for explosives inside of shell itself, so they were slower.
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I guess, he meant hit-scan "kv-2-like" model of shell calculation. More like 152mm ML-20/105mm LeFH - you can't see the shell itself, but can easily say that it is coming in by sound.
Also, it is rather historical accurate - HE-shells were produced with less propellent chardge to save space for explosives inside of shell itself, so they were slower.
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This is not a universal rule. In fact, the IS-2's DT-25T HE and AP shells had the same muzzle velocity.
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T34 85 needs to have slightly less AI. It's shells are basically on par with Sherman HE yet it does everything.
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I guess, he meant hit-scan "kv-2-like" model of shell calculation. More like 152mm ML-20/105mm LeFH - you can't see the shell itself, but can easily say that it is coming in by sound.
Also, it is rather historical accurate - HE-shells were produced with less propellent chardge to save space for explosives inside of shell itself, so they were slower.
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Can anybody please tell me, why Tiger 1 and IS-2 have 160 DMG? Isn't that ridiculous that heavy tanks have same damage as the mediums?
IMO, for the sake of game being joyful, I'd want my heavy tank to bring some kabadaboom when it hits enemy armor. But a massive 122mm shell, or a 88mm tiger shell still hits the same as some Pz4. It's frustrating.....
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IS-2 I believe really needs just a veterancy 1 change to that HE shell we tested a long time ago to give it something to help smash positions/stun/clear infantry.
I'm iffy on straight damage changes, even if it's 122mm as:
-People will complain misses hurt it too much as increase damage generally comes with higher reloads; misses then hurt the IS-2
-It's either a nuke cannon vs infantry or it's the same as now so now you're worse with said reload; scatter changes would likely need AOE adjustments
-You only change the shots to kill vs select targets unless you enter the 240 range.
At best, deflection damage, maybe so it's more reliable vs other heavy vehicles and to represent the 122.
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1- IS2 had 240dmg. It was one of the worsts version of the unit.
2- If you increase the damage but you nerf the RoF you are actually creating more issues. By reducing RoF, you get less reliable results against both infantry and tanks. You would also had to nerf AoE as an increase in damage would mean more wipes.
3- 160dmg sources are easier to balance around because most units are balanced around this figure. Basically all infantry have 80HP. Vehicles tend to have values which makes them survive X amount of 160dmg.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
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1- IS2 had 240dmg. It was one of the worsts version of the unit.
2- If you increase the damage but you nerf the RoF you are actually creating more issues. By reducing RoF, you get less reliable results against both infantry and tanks. You would also had to nerf AoE as an increase in damage would mean more wipes.
3- 160dmg sources are easier to balance around because most units are balanced around this figure. Basically all infantry have 80HP. Vehicles tend to have values which makes them survive X amount of 160dmg.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
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As i recall, issues were not of low ROF and high damage, but of low penetration. U could wait loong time before it fires and bounces of Pz4. And that was trash. But now IS penetration is very reliable. So if we increase damage to 200, and decrease ROF. DPS would be almost the same, but burst damage will be higher, like a heavy tank should have
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Low RoF means it's a nerf in the AI department.
If you maintain the same DPS, the 200dmg is a nerf to it's AT performance. Let me put it more clear.
Say rof is 6s (from avg 6.4), so you need to increase rof to 7.5. This is the TTK for most vehicles in game if i didn't skip anything. OR at least anything relevant
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IS-2 I believe really needs just a veterancy 1 change to that HE shell we tested a long time ago to give it something to help smash positions/stun/clear infantry.
I'm iffy on straight damage changes, even if it's 122mm as:
-People will complain misses hurt it too much as increase damage generally comes with higher reloads; misses then hurt the IS-2
-It's either a nuke cannon vs infantry or it's the same as now so now you're worse with said reload; scatter changes would likely need AOE adjustments
-You only change the shots to kill vs select targets unless you enter the 240 range.
At best, deflection damage, maybe so it's more reliable vs other heavy vehicles and to represent the 122.
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IS2 is overshadowed by Pershing.
Gun: IS2 << Pershing
Armor: IS2 > Pershing
Maneuverability: IS2 < Pershing
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