King Tiger - Is it worth buying?

Jump back to quoted post4 Dec 2018, 15:17 PMLago

If you think it's off-topic, why did you start it?



Higher rate of fire though, and facing enemy armies with typically lower armour.

But if it's not doing its job (being OKW's Tank Destroyer) then it probably needs to be looked at. If the medium-clubbing Panther is better at fighting heavies then the JP4 is somewhat redundant.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2018, 03:41 AMShadowLinkX37

15-20 range is normal for snares. Not 0

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2018, 06:04 AMmurky depths

If they were literally right next to the KT, they could easily kite it and not get hit since the infantry could outrun the turret traverse.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2018, 08:26 AMVan Der Bolt

Maybe we should give KT AP-shells and HE-shells, like a sherman.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2018, 08:26 AMVan Der Bolt

... The obviuos decision is to increase front armor. So TD couldn't pen it as easy as it is. ...

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2018, 08:45 AMVipper

Sherman AP shell have decent AI, you are probably referring to ISU-152 shells.


Actually KT is the only Axis stock tank with high armor.

Increase the armor of KT is not the obvious decision, decreasing the penetration of allied TD is.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2018, 08:57 AMVan Der Bolt

My point was to give KT switchable rounds, one better vs armor bad vs infantry, other bad vs armor and good vs infantry. Not with exact parameters of sherman rounds or ISU.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2018, 09:40 AMKurobane

The main issue with the King Tiger is the amount of EXP needed in order to get to Veterancy 5. Out of the 5000+ Hours of COH2 I have played, I have seen a handful of King Tigers survive to reach Vet 5.

Proposed Changes :

Amount of Veterancy needed reduced in half
Tank Now has switchable rounds (HE for infantry and AP for armor)

This would put the King Tiger in a good spot.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2018, 10:54 AMSander93

Switchable HE/AP rounds will cause extra trouble with HEAT shells. Also, it makes the KT arguably weaker because it is supposed to be an all-rounder that can fight most threats simultaniously because it is so expensive and high pop cap. The Sherman shells work because it fits into a larger unit composition in which it can work as AI with other units providing AP and switch to AP when needed. The KT wouldn't have that luxery.


IMO the easier fix is to simply give the gun spread out AOE damage with better accuracy/scatter (i.e. Brummbär profile), which would also help it a bit in AT department (higher acc).

Then lower veterancy requirements (like by a lot) and maybe move Spearhead to vet1.

Jump back to quoted post4 Dec 2018, 22:17 PMShadowLinkX37

The problem with this scenario is your rifles are next to the KT. What person puts rifles next to a KT? At KT max range of 50 the scatter is as bad as the IS2. At minimum 35 range against infantry unless they have AT weapons on them or they're attempting to snare. Any closer and you have potential threat of being shot at by a TD or getting snared.
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Of course units are more likely to hit at 0 range. That's like saying the HE sherman should be tested at range 0 where it has the highest penetration of any nondoc medium, ontop of best utility and AI wiping power, all for 110F.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2018, 16:27 PMSuperHansFan

It's quite common in games because what the KT's good at is locking down a central VP. In such a situation with a one or two supporting units why should the OKW player worry about being snared if he is on the defensive punishing allied inf that tries to cap with his heavy tank that's relatively slow anyway?

I would dare say most KT engagements are around the 30-40 mark not max 50, yet in your test the KT was still doing decent damage at max range killing a model or two at 50. Yes you can make the argument "range 50 is not reliable or driving on move is not reliable" but the only tank I could say could were the unpatched comet and tiger ace. Both of those had obvious issues...


If the OKW player is overextending his KT without support of course a single firefly or jackson can solo it, but as others ITT have pointed out the KT still has a role with decent support. Buff the gun or armour and you're just repeating the same mistakes that have already been proven to ruin balance.

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2018, 15:03 PMjagd wölfe

It won't be fixed until turret traverse and mobility don't become decent

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2018, 20:45 PMKatitof

You can have heaviest tank with underpowered engine and overweight turret in WW2 or you can have one with decent mobiliy and turret traverse.

You can't and won't have both.
Not in one package.