Soviets are OP

Jump back to quoted post22 Nov 2018, 15:04 PMelchino7

That been said, not sure what units you could adjust besides Penals.

Jump back to quoted post22 Nov 2018, 10:30 AMVan Der Bolt

I'd not say penals are overperforming. They are stronger than most mainlines, yes, but they cost 300MP, so they should be stronger. Also, PTRS gives them some power vs vehicles, but only vs LVs. They are bretty bad vs mediums and heavies.

Plus, when they get PTRS they drop significantly at AI. AT satchel is hard to use vs carefully playing opponent. If u take T1, you need to fast rush to T3 to get some reliable AT, or backtech to T2 if your resourse control is not enough, or else you wouldn't be able to counter tanks well.

I'd say penals are not overperforming, but overused. That's mostly because using cons is much more difficult. I thought about making penals something like osttruppen, it may make soviet infantry play more variative.

Jump back to quoted post22 Nov 2018, 15:50 PMdk828315

I'll add that partisan spam is still a thing on maps with lots of building, like moscow outskirts.

Jump back to quoted post22 Nov 2018, 16:27 PMdistrofio

Penals are not mainline inf. Also no infantry deals easly against mediums nor heavies, i mean, if penals could, they would be OPAF. I dont understand why you bring that up.

Thats something useful, in order to scale up into midgame, AT is neccesary. Also you have gathered many penals squad by the time 2-3 of them have PTRS, so their AI hasn't decreased that much, even nothing at all.

If OKM obers could be trained at T0 after 1 SWS is called in, it would be the same thing as penas right now. Expensive but effective.
Man, they only cost 300, its only 20 more that USF riflemen and penals do wreak havok. Its a little overperform IMO.

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2018, 05:28 AMVan Der Bolt

But people complain penals win fights too easy, and playing cons is too hard.

Jump back to quoted post22 Nov 2018, 15:15 PMSander93

T-70 could definitely do with a nerf to killing power on retreats, possibly even a slight nerf to killing power in general. The T-70 is just massacring infantry left and right and imo it's way good. With its sight bonusses it even has purpose into the mid/late game, and Soviets have good AI squads so there is no need for it to be this devastating.


I think the current Luchs is the standard for a good light tank: proper shock value, good damage over time and powerful enough to push unprotected squads off the field but not as deadly and can only wipe when squads retreat dangerously late. A unit that synergises well with infantry but isn't as devastating on its own.

Nerfing the T-70 a bit would also mean the Mobile Defense / Puma meta could tone down as Ostheer wouldn't be as helpless without the mobile AT. It got boring real fast seeing modef picked almost every game.

Jump back to quoted post22 Nov 2018, 16:27 PMdistrofio

Penals are not mainline inf. Also no infantry deals easly against mediums nor heavies, i mean, if penals could, they would be OPAF. I dont understand why you bring that up.

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2018, 06:20 AMTheGentlemenTroll

Penals are most definitely Mainline infantry

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2018, 06:58 AMdistrofio

So, conscript are? let me guess, they clean up the mess after the war ends, no wait, they bring water for the real mainline infantry in the frontlines.

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2018, 06:01 AMThamor

The problem with T70 is that it's gun has too good aoe damage every shot, it's almost as the squad viper Daimler was. Reducing it's aoe damage little bit would make it more balanced.

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2018, 07:33 AMDonnieChan

No, consistent damage is fine. However it would be better if it had less health. i DonT understand what everyone had against the dieing in 2 shots back then..

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2018, 07:42 AMLoopDloop

No other light tanks (Stuart, luchs, and the like) die in 2 shots. Flaktracks do, but they’re cheaper and longer ranged and suppress. Light tanks aren’t really supposed to die in 2 hits and back when the t70 did, it was even more nightmarish while it was alive.

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2018, 07:33 AMDonnieChan

No, consistent damage is fine. However it would be better if it had less health. i DonT understand what everyone had against the dieing in 2 shots back then..

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2018, 07:33 AMDonnieChan

No, consistent damage is fine. However it would be better if it had less health. i DonT understand what everyone had against the dieing in 2 shots back then..

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2018, 09:35 AMThamor

It's not consistent damage when firsts hot wipes 2 models in cover then 2nd shot takes 1 more and then chase and finish in 1-2 shots. The damage is little bit too good atm compared to any other light vehicle play.

Jump back to quoted post23 Nov 2018, 09:35 AMThamor

It's not consistent damage when firsts hot wipes 2 models in cover then 2nd shot takes 1 more and then chase and finish in 1-2 shots. The damage is little bit too good atm compared to any other light vehicle play.