Buff Ostwind

The P4 costs more than the T34/76 because it easily beats it 1v1. Is it so hard for you to understand that tanks fight both infantry and vehicles? Anyways I give up. Axis bias just too strong to have a reasonable thread.

On an off topic, it seems that axis Bias bother you yet allied biased seem that it does not, you made not comments about an allied biased user posting here.

T34 is NOT counterpart to Ostwind. Centaur, Quad M4, M15 and flak HT are.

Here, a quick Video of mine comparing T34 and Ostwind at killing 1 conscript on ~15 range.

T34 needs 17sec.
Ostwind needs 20sec (while by an accident T34 helped killing the last man, I think it would be 22 instead)

You can't ignor that its AI is better than Ostwind. So it moves into the role of AI unit. Ostwind is a AI unit.

And you can't ignore its AT is worse then P4, its armor is worse then P4, core infantry supporting it is worse then grens, ATG supporting it is weaker in AT then PaK and so on and so forth.

You can't ignore the whole army behind the unit just to push your point through, because its not 1v1 void dueling game.

Centaur is very good. Fighting against 4men squads. Ostwind should min. perform as good as Cenaur does. lol and Bofors is simply op, should have same weapon as OKW base. That would me so a massive nerf, even with the suppression buff.

But its not fighting just 4 man squads.
Its also fighting 5 man squads and 6 man squads too. Cromwell supporting it is much worse then P4 supporting ostwind.

Ostwind can perform as good as Centaur, when P4 will perform as bad as Cromwell.

And cut the bullshit about boforse, only biggest noobs in game have problems with it and only biggest noobs in game build it. Bofors can have same effeciveness as shwerer, when it'll be free and cost zero pop cap, like shwerer gun.

And you can't ignore its AT is worse then P4, its armor is worse then P4, core infantry supporting it is worse then grens, ATG supporting it is weaker in AT then PaK and so on and so forth.

-T34 is cheaper as P4, so it has to be worse.
-Grens arn't that much better than Cons. Without HMG you would lose in the first mins of game. And the new map (noKey xD) Shows how shitty Ostheer is, when you can't play with PaKs and MGs because of shot- and sight-blockers.
-Since armor-nerf it pens nearly everything. 6-men versus 4-men crew and arty-ability. It is years ago Zis was bad.
- and so on and so forth

You can't ignore the whole army behind the unit just to push your point through, because its not 1v1 void dueling game.

Yep, than T34 even become more op and Ostwind and Panzer4 worse because of tank-hunter support and inf-blobbs german can't handle until T4.

But its not fighting just 4 man squads.
Its also fighting 5 man squads and 6 man squads too. Cromwell supporting it is much worse then P4 supporting ostwind.

wow, its fighting Osttruppen with 6men?

Cenraur can kill a PaK frontal without problems. Ostwind can't even kill a Püppchen.

Ostwind can perform as good as Centaur, when P4 will perform as bad as Cromwell.

Hm, difficult to say if Cromwell really performs so bad. Mainly you road-kill units with it.

It Costs 10 less fuel. Has 10pen more on colse-range. Little-bit less hp and armor but the weapon can flinch for accuracy.

And cut the bullshit about boforse, only biggest noobs in game have problems with it and only biggest noobs in game build it. Bofors can have same effeciveness as shwerer, when it'll be free and cost zero pop cap, like shwerer gun.

Yep, it is a noob-weapon. Still not balanced. It can still stop a hole assault in immun-mod. Because it will kill all your inf if it get activated when you stand near. -> Giving it OKW-base stats would make it a suppresion platform. Which doesn't buggs the Animation and doesn't kill inf and light vehicles fasten than 2MGs with Phosphor.

At range 10 T34 needs 13sec to kill the hole test-squad.
At range 10 PnzIV needs 25sec to kill the hole test-squad.

Result: T34 is op as fuck.

The comparison between T34 and PzIV should be with the latter having the pintle mount. See below why. Then their AI DPS becomes pretty similar.

Other cost less and other needs to spend ammo for pintle to start doing something. It really shows the performance issue with P4 and it's cost for OST faction. They should just give OST the OKW P4.

The pintle mount is a munitions upgrade because it gives two distinct advantages over the T-34: one is engaging aircraft and the second is giving 360 degree AI. The T-34 loses a lot of its DPS when the hull gun can't fire and it needs to have the turret trained on the target for the coaxial to do anything. The PzIV's pintle will always fire despite the direction of the tank or the turret.

Yeah Ostwind needs some sort of buff, but that still doesn´t make the T34/76 OP in comparison to the P4. Not sure why people can´t just discuss the Ostwind without comparing it to completly different units in completly different tech-systems.

Moving the vet3 rotation bonus to Vet 0 would probably be enough. It would help a little for AI and a lot for AA. When it is supposed to be shooting at aircraft, the turret often doesn't rotate fast enough and it does not shoot. It's much better at Vet 3 but it doesn't vet very fast so I'd always rather have a P4 with a pintle.

The comparison between T34 and PzIV should be with the latter having the pintle mount. See below why. Then their AI DPS becomes pretty similar.

You don't think that the hull-mg is too opwerful? It has the potential to simply kill the loader of a PaK and interrups the unit. And it isn't a rare phenomen. It would be more balanced if the MG gets normal DPS and you compensate it with e.g. some menpower-drop, let say 260 - 280mp instead of 300mp?

The ostwind is definitely in a bad position.
I don't know a thing about balance, if it was up to me though, just increase cost and efficiency, at least make it so it can get additional aoe on blobbed units.

And cut the bullshit about boforse, only biggest noobs in game have problems with it and only biggest noobs in game build it. Bofors can have same effeciveness as shwerer, when it'll be free and cost zero pop cap, like shwerer gun.

Bro, that would be a complete nightmare, Imagine spammed bofors behind bofors, with the advanced cancer doctrine repairing them all.

Bro, that would be a complete nightmare, Imagine spammed bofors behind bofors, with the advanced cancer doctrine repairing them all.

Tommie emplacements were in pretty good spot, but then they gave that advanced cancer commander.

Tommie emplacements were in pretty good spot, but then they gave that advanced cancer commander.

I tried bofors a few times, but any good player just destroys them instantly, I don't even always get AEC unless the enemy is spamming FHT or Luch. They seem like a nightmare to balance, A little to strong and they break the game, a little to weak and they are useless.

On another note, they are amazing at shooting down planes, especially with vet.