Volks are disgustingly good, need toning down.

Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2018, 13:28 PMNorthWestFresh

Balance is really really bad once agian..... Like its not even close comparing standard mainstream infantry between factions I cant believe we got a five year anniversery and standard infantry doesn't even have a semblance of balance. I dunno what y'all community balance helpers did but ...... Come ON!!!! I dont know why you guys messed with standard infantry anyway you just make it worse when I played last about and a half ago infantry was pretty good at least standard infantry I come back and its a complete joke..... AGAIN!

Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2018, 13:52 PMGrim

Penals and Maxims are the mainline infantry for Soviets lets be real.

Conscripts aren't a relevant units without PPsh.

Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2018, 07:48 AMJae For Jett

My post was getting long as is. With users not even bothering to find correct stats before running around yelling on balance forums, I figured laying it out simply was best so that they would stop spreading misinformation and tearing down correctly justified arguments. Beyond that, the point was to concretely lay out the comparison between cons and volks with regards to raw stats. Given that both of these units do 12 damage per shot and therefore have 5% less effective DPS, the effect is a net neutral and the ratios betweeen their damage remained the same, meaning I found no real reason to mention it.

Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2018, 14:10 PMZoe

Sorry if this is a bit off-topic, but since the issue of correct stats came up, I wanted to quickly ask where to find them. I know there's http://www.coh2-stats.com/, but the patch version of the side is the 23rd of June 2015 and thus not up to date.

Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2018, 14:10 PMZoe

Sorry if this is a bit off-topic, but since the issue of correct stats came up, I wanted to quickly ask where to find them. I know there's http://www.coh2-stats.com/, but the patch version of the side is the 23rd of June 2015 and thus not up to date.

Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2018, 14:05 PMblvckdream

... terribly slow Molotovs ...

Jump back to quoted post22 Oct 2018, 13:34 PMKatitof

Wasn't AAA hardcore pro axis?

Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2018, 18:31 PMStug life

no? Just search the profile he was the most hard core Allie ever saying the usf mortar was not good enough cause it did not instant kill all squad and ostruppen

Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2018, 14:33 PMblvckdream

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B7gwy65JLbSRMEJ3M2ZPandMMW8

It´s made by cruzz. He made this from the actual game files so it´s 100% accurate. Download it and open it with your browser.

Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2018, 19:38 PMKatitof

So how was called the other one, the one that made like 2k posts within a month?

Jump back to quoted post23 Oct 2018, 16:13 PMmurky depths

I'll take fast throw + fuse over the slow throw + instant impact any day.

The fast throw means you are more likely to get it off before suppression (forcing the mg away), can chuck + escape if you are using it as a yolo strat, and also means you free up your attention elsewhere.

I understand that instant impact means more burn time if it actually lands, I just find for the purposes of the flame nade/molotov, one performs its utility better.

Jump back to quoted post24 Oct 2018, 02:03 AMthedarkarmadillo

Yuup. The quick throw plus long range means less down time too, you can pop the nade then scurry to cover and start shooting. The molitovs short range compounds with its long throw and translates into received damage that volks generally don't need to expose themselves to.for something the Soviet have to specifically get the volks sure do a better job of it..

Jump back to quoted post24 Oct 2018, 12:33 PMjagd wölfe

Ps: Flame nade cost is included in sws Trucks, so it's actually a negative, not a positive. What if we added 15 fuel to soviet tech costs regardless of you going for penals build ?

Jump back to quoted post24 Oct 2018, 13:20 PMKatitof

Its bullshit and you know it.
Before you go into further mental gymnastics here, let me remind you couple of things:

-Penals are not mainline inf, cons are, you're splitting hairs here to make an invalid point and closest thing comparable to penals are obers, who also happen to come in with unlocked abilities.
-Molotocs are locked behind side tech cost, flame nades aren't.
-OKW doesn't pay a singular fuel more for access to StGs or flame nades, its as free as it gets if you compare actual tech costs between factions.

Jump back to quoted post24 Oct 2018, 14:05 PMjagd wölfe

False

1) Penals are mainline infantry by all standards, have been used as mainline infantry in GCS2, everybody but you calls them mainline infantry.

2) Soviets starts with 15 more fuel than OKW

3)
OKW
Start: -5
2 trucks: 30
Mechanized: 45
Schewer: 120
Total: 190, no healing (worth 15 fuel) needs to pay ammo to avoid bleed

Soviets
Start: -20
Fuel free healing: -15
Sidetech: 25 (15+10)
Support weapons: 10
Mechanized:85
Tank:90
Total: 175

If we don't consider fuel free healing for soviets both pay the same cost

This "muh axis free stuff" REEEing bullshit is cringy as fuck

Jump back to quoted post24 Oct 2018, 15:36 PM#12345678

OKW Medical HQ cost 25 fuels:

Soviet support weapon base cost 20 fuels