Reduce the cost of tier 4

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2018, 17:16 PMkonfucius

Soviet tanks are fine, if anything buff conscripts and maxims some how, because being forced into penal/guard gets boring af, its honestly lame af how soviet meta rn is early engineer to compensate for capping power

How about buff conscripts into 200mp and merge their grenades and let them become ostruppen, or reduce their reinforcement by itself so they are less bleed.

Seriously fixing cons, maxims, shocks (which is being buffed already), will drastically improve soviet choices that would nerfing stuff like t70 cheese not a bad idea

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2018, 17:33 PMblvckdream

I agree with this. Maxims shouldnt get an outright buff though, that would just bring back Maxim spam. Instead they could be toned down to 5 crew members, higher pop, longer build built time but better suppression and/or arc. Right now Maxims just feel like literal trash compared to almost any other MG. Exception is the DSHK which is crying in a corner because no one wants to use it because it got overnerfed so hard. I know it sounds arrogant but when the Dshk changes were dicussed I wrote multiple posts about them getting overnerfed. Seems like I was completly right. Again, the issue with Lend Lease were not Dshk but tech-free Shermans.

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2018, 17:59 PMkonfucius

I agree but 5 man won’t do no good, since conscripts can merge, instead the suppression of maxim should stay as is but give conscript a rear echelon like volley fire ability for nominal amounts of munition, that by itself shouldnt suppress but designed to apply in conjunction with a maxim to create an mg34 level suppression. Not sure if that makes sense or how easily to do this, but it would fit the combined arms synergy design of soviets, and reward good play.


That said i think soviets main problem with crutching cheese units is that conscripts arent good enough and fail to be either ostruppen or grenadiers but inherit worse of both, far too expensive for what they are without ppsh. Conscripts need serious changes, once they are in a good place it would be reasonable to nerf some cheesy soviet units

Soviet mgs should not be overbuffed or they will become too much with 6 man.

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2018, 22:00 PMKatitof

I think I can speak for all soviet players here.

If Merge is such a problem for the army and units, just replace it with non doctrinal weapon upgrade.

Also, Maxims are supposed to replace cons, relic said its "LMG infantry" of soviets, therefore the narrow arc and mobility, modders as well mentioned somewhere at least once that maxims are supposed to replace cons in late game as well due to cons being meme at scaling despite all the changes.

Jump back to quoted post10 Oct 2018, 02:51 AMCresc

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How come MG42 is quite literally a maxim on steroids?

Jump back to quoted post10 Oct 2018, 02:51 AMCresc

How come MG42 is quite literally a maxim on steroids?

Jump back to quoted post10 Oct 2018, 06:45 AMullumulu

i think the maxim is in some ways more potent than mg42.

it can defense on itself, cause of high speed setup time, 6 models and fast supress

it can with no problem reposition and hey...models dropped? when u planed right there is a con squad nearly and u can merge...

Jump back to quoted post10 Oct 2018, 07:14 AMthedarkarmadillo

Update your game. The Maxim is certainly not quick in any way especially not quick to suppress.

Jump back to quoted post10 Oct 2018, 07:18 AMullumulu

it is faster than the mg42. it is so fast that a non-setup maxim can setup from alone and supress a squad without fear to be flanked (except if the enemy has sprint)

this doesnt work with mg42.

Jump back to quoted post10 Oct 2018, 07:26 AMKatitof

Because MG42 doesn't need to desetup in the first place due to massive arc.

Jump back to quoted post10 Oct 2018, 07:27 AMullumulu

a setup mg42 must be retreat when flanked....a maxim wont

Jump back to quoted post10 Oct 2018, 07:26 AMKatitof

Because MG42 doesn't need to desetup in the first place due to massive arc.

Jump back to quoted post9 Oct 2018, 17:59 PMkonfucius

I agree but 5 man won’t do no good, since conscripts can merge

Jump back to quoted post10 Oct 2018, 07:18 AMullumulu

it is faster than the mg42. it is so fast that a non-setup maxim can setup from alone and supress a squad without fear to be flanked (except if the enemy has sprint)

this doesnt work with mg42.

Jump back to quoted post10 Oct 2018, 08:21 AMSander93

Would giving them a higher RA do any good? It'd achieve the same purpose as downscaling to 5 men in regards to survivability to direct fire, while keeping high survivability (due to 6 models) to indirect fire. Merge would be less effective too.


Or an Osttruppen-like MG upgrade (1x DP-28) for Cons once T3 or T4 has been built.

Jump back to quoted post10 Oct 2018, 08:25 AMVipper

The higher the target size of crews the more effective merge becomes since "merged" entities would be significantly tougher.

Imo one could start by lowering the number of entities of re-crewed weapon to 4 since captured weapon become very strong.