no Counter for OKW and Wehrmacht Tank destroyers

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2018, 15:59 PMVipper

And people make T-34/76 Sherman and Cromwell. Do you actually have a point?

Is your opinion that Ostheer Panzer IV "so good" that they do not need a better tank?

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2018, 22:01 PMmurky depths

If you need me to spell out why good players prefer getting P4s means Tier 3 is pretty good (as well as your own admission that the stug is OP) then this conversation is going to take a very long time.

No, it is my observation that players better than I opt for tier 3 and specifically the P4 -- instead of tier 4 and the units it unlocks. They also explicitly say as much when asked.

My opinion on your question is... blank since OKW is my prefered axis faction and I have about 5x as much time with OKW than Wehr. Who cares what my opinion is? Play the way you think is best.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2018, 09:39 AMVipper

My point is quite simply ostheer Panzer IV is not "so good". Compared to other medium is sort of OK.

Ostwind is not that great either.

It also becomes obsolete when allied TDs show up.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2018, 10:27 AMKatitof

And your point is incorrect.
P4 is as solid as any other med tank, with its own weaknesses and strengths.

Plus, you know very well how disgustingly overpowered StuG is at AT, yet it did not made allied med tanks obsolete, despite being able to 1v1 literally all of them with exception of doctrinal ones.

If StuG doesn't make allied meds obsolete when it shows up, then same applies for axis armor when allied TDs show up - if you think otherwise, maybe its time to reconsider how you play against them, ESPECIALLY NOW, when allied TDs are actually WEAKER against meds then they used to be.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2018, 09:39 AMVipper

My point is quite simply ostheer Panzer IV is not "so good".

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2018, 11:06 AMVipper

Lets try this once more time since some people seem to have trouble understanding.

It is my opinion that Ostheer T3 is not "great" (or so good). It gives access to 3 units which I would rank

Jump back to quoted post23 Mar 2018, 17:38 PMelchino7

Su76 has always been a meme unit till they buff it (like 3 years). HT got at some point to be a strong unit, but i'm not sure if that was after the rework on the tiers.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2018, 15:45 PMZombiFrancis

I don't think the HT changed itself, but the change in tiers made it come incredibly faster than it ever had in the past. That timing was what warranted the Quad HT to lose reinforcement, (and by extension the flameHT, which made sense, but was mostly a retroactive punishment for the unit being so prominent in the early days. A lot of units have been buffed or nerfed on those grounds unfortunately.)

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2018, 15:45 PMZombiFrancis

I don't think the HT changed itself, but the change in tiers made it come incredibly faster than it ever had in the past. That timing was what warranted the Quad HT to lose reinforcement, (and by extension the flameHT, which made sense, but was mostly a retroactive punishment for the unit being so prominent in the early days. A lot of units have been buffed or nerfed on those grounds unfortunately.)

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2018, 09:39 AMVipper

My point is quite simply ostheer Panzer IV is not "so good". Compared to other medium is sort of OK.

Ostwind is not that great either.

It also becomes obsolete when allied TDs show up.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2018, 20:40 PMmurky depths

Ok. I donno what to say to that other than I guess we disagree as to how relatively effective certain units are.

We work with the tools available to us.

Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2018, 09:31 AMVipper

So it is your opinion that Ostheer PzIV is actually more cost efficient than Cromwell, Shreman or T-34/76?

My point once more is that T3 gives access to 1 op unit and 2 average so it is not so good to cover Ostheer needs. And since T4 also has its problems many player go for a Tiger when playing Ostheer.

Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2018, 09:31 AMVipper

So it is your opinion that Ostheer PzIV is actually more cost efficient than Cromwell, Shreman or T-34/76?

My point once more is that T3 gives access to 1 op unit and 2 average so it is not so good to cover Ostheer needs. And since T4 also has its problems many player go for a Tiger when playing Ostheer.

Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2018, 09:31 AMVipper

So it is your opinion that Ostheer PzIV is actually more cost efficient than Cromwell, Shreman or T-34/76?

My point once more is that T3 gives access to 1 op unit and 2 average so it is not so good to cover Ostheer needs. And since T4 also has its problems many player go for a Tiger when playing Ostheer.

Jump back to quoted post25 Mar 2018, 18:17 PMIncendiaryRounds

The katy is far better than werfer since you can get decent damage even at max range unlike werfer. You wont get wipes with it too often due to scatter, but the damage is consistent unlike werfer which fires probably only a third or fourth of the rockets.