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24 Feb 2018, 22:39 PM
#21
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logically they would have limit the bren at the same time as the m1919.

only elite infantry like the airborne or commandos should get double LMG. the Ober's lmg34 is basically a double lmg.

Ober's Lmg got doubled nerf.

Now a little better than the commandos bren (around 19%) while costing more and limited to 1.
24 Feb 2018, 22:46 PM
#22
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Feb 2018, 22:39 PMVipper

Ober's Lmg got doubled nerf.

Now a little better than the commandos bren (around 19%) while costing more and limited to 1.


Commandos bren isn't exactly the meta(or ever was), so please remind us that's the DPS difference against regular bren.
24 Feb 2018, 22:49 PM
#23
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Feb 2018, 22:46 PMKatitof


Commandos bren isn't exactly the meta(or ever was), so please remind us that's the DPS difference against regular bren.

No thanks you have to check stat for yourself.
24 Feb 2018, 22:51 PM
#24
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Feb 2018, 22:49 PMVipper

No thanks you have to check stat for yourself.

I could, but I want to teach you a lesson on not putting out silly comparisons between things that literally no one except comp stompers use.
24 Feb 2018, 23:14 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Feb 2018, 22:51 PMKatitof

I could, but I want to teach you a lesson on not putting out silly comparisons between things that literally no one except comp stompers use.

Vet 0 double bren commandos have almost equal max range dps to vet 0 lmg34 obers.

Max vet double bren commandos have around 90% of the max range dps of max vet lmg34 obers.

Commandos brens are a little more than 50% better than infantry section brens (while getting their cover bonuses). Commando brens (and all lmgs that commandos pick up, I believe) can be fired on the move too.
24 Feb 2018, 23:27 PM
#26
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Vet 0 double bren commandos have almost equal max range dps to vet 0 lmg34 obers.

Max vet double bren commandos have around 90% of the max range dps of max vet lmg34 obers.

Commandos brens are a little more than 50% better than infantry section brens (while getting their cover bonuses). Commando brens (and all lmgs that commandos pick up, I believe) can be fired on the move too.

Again, I know the values, but that's beside the point.

The point is an argument with unrealistic setup was used.
Do you know anyone playing multiplayer who regularly uses BRENs on commandos, isn't 4v4 player and have at the very worst rank 300?
Literally no one does that, because its not efficient muni use and it doesn't suit commandos role.
24 Feb 2018, 23:30 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Feb 2018, 23:27 PMKatitof

Again, I know the values, but that's beside the point.

The point is an argument with unrealistic setup was used.
Do you know anyone playing multiplayer who regularly uses BRENs on commandos, isn't 4v4 player and have at the very worst rank 300?
Literally no one does that, because its not efficient muni use and it doesn't suit commandos role.

I thought you were asking for the values, my mistake. Since I'm already a part of this now though. Vonivan uses them during the few times he plays brits.
24 Feb 2018, 23:31 PM
#28
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I've never seen him do that, but then again, I'm not watching him all the time and he doesn't always go meta/optimal stuff.

Most of the time its pretty bad idea, even if the values look good on paper.
24 Feb 2018, 23:32 PM
#29
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Having trouble remembering but do Commando Brens have the same God awful reload time Infantry Sections versions have?
25 Feb 2018, 03:44 AM
#30
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I voted no. The way i see it, if ost can survive with 4 men so can the brits, especially when they bleed less, are harder to hit, can double equip, heal themselves and have the superiour support in almost all scenarios
25 Feb 2018, 05:29 AM
#31
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Feb 2018, 22:39 PMVipper

Ober's Lmg got doubled nerf.

Now a little better than the commandos bren (around 19%) while costing more and limited to 1.


and the commandos bren is the second most powerful lmg in the game, being about ~50% more powerful than the lmg42 on the grenadier.

commandos bren isn't that practical because it's a side grade for them. the brens are still weaker than their sten at close range.
25 Feb 2018, 08:36 AM
#32
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and the commandos bren is the second most powerful lmg in the game, being about ~50% more powerful than the lmg42 on the grenadier.

commandos bren isn't that practical because it's a side grade for them. the brens are still weaker than their sten at close range.

Your number simply do not agree with Cruzz's.
DPS 0/20/35

grenadier_mg42lmg_mp
4.5/6.5/7.1

commando_bren_lmg_moving_mp
4.9/7.9/9.6

obersoldaten_mg34_lmg_moving_no_prone_mp
7.1/10.3/11.4

Bren on commandos are great. They are better up to range 11.
25 Feb 2018, 08:46 AM
#33
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jump backJump back to quoted post25 Feb 2018, 08:36 AMVipper

Your number simply do not agree with Cruzz's.
DPS 0/20/35

grenadier_mg42lmg_mp
4.5/6.5/7.1

commando_bren_lmg_moving_mp
4.9/7.9/9.6

obersoldaten_mg34_lmg_moving_no_prone_mp
7.1/10.3/11.4

Bren on commandos are great. They are better up to range 11.


My numbers are from Relic's official mod tool, freely available on steam to anyone who own Coh2. You can check it yourself if you doubt it.

seems like your and cruzz's number simply do not agree with Relic's.
25 Feb 2018, 08:54 AM
#34
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My numbers are from Relic's official mod tool, freely available on steam to anyone who own Coh2. You can check it yourself if you doubt it.

seems like cruzz's number simply do not agree with Relic's.


and the commandos bren is the second most powerful lmg in the game, being about ~50% more powerful than the lmg42 on the grenadier.


They do not seem to agree with those either:
commando_bren_lmg_moving_mp---6.8/8.6/10.4/12.0
grenadier_mg42lmg_mp-----------------6.3/7.6/8.6/9.3
ratio---------------------------------------1.1/1.1/1.2/1.3

Commandos bren is simply not "~50% more powerful than the lmg42 on the grenadier"
25 Feb 2018, 09:04 AM
#35
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jump backJump back to quoted post25 Feb 2018, 08:54 AMVipper



They do not seem to agree with those either:
commando_bren_lmg_moving_mp---6.8/8.6/10.4/12.0
grenadier_mg42lmg_mp-----------------6.3/7.6/8.6/9.3
ratio---------------------------------------1.1/1.1/1.2/1.3

Commandos bren is simply not "~50% more powerful than the lmg42 on the grenadier"



okay, made a mistake with 14.5 / 9.3.
25 Feb 2018, 09:17 AM
#36
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okay, made a mistake with 14.5 / 9.3.

No problem, I feel the need to congratulate you in recognizing it.
25 Feb 2018, 16:24 PM
#37
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let's make volks cant get stg44. cuz they are 5 men squad. do you agree?
25 Feb 2018, 16:43 PM
#38
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jump backJump back to quoted post24 Feb 2018, 22:51 PMKatitof

I could, but I want to teach you a lesson on not putting out silly comparisons between things that literally no one except comp stompers use.
so are u saying we should compare a tier 4 340 mp unit vs a tier 1 280 mp unit ? silly comparison my ass
25 Feb 2018, 16:46 PM
#39
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let's make volks cant get stg44. cuz they are 5 men squad. do you agree?
rifle man ?
25 Feb 2018, 16:56 PM
#40
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let's make volks cant get stg44. cuz they are 5 men squad. do you agree?

STG44 are not lmgs.

On the the other hand imo they are pretty badly designed (the version Volks use) and part of the reason why Conscripts where buffed creating even more problems.
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