Comet

The main problem of Comet is lacking veterancy. Comet is in a good spot if you are comparing Vet 0 units and mid-game performance: main battle tank, engages all units, utility. However, problems start when everything vets-up and heavy tanks emerge.

It gets no reload speed, pen, damage, armor or health. All it gets is phosphorus shot, 20% movement and 20% accuracy.

Panthers, on the other hand, benefit much more from veterancy which includes both defensive bonuses and reload speed.

maybe a scatter bonus at vet 2 and reload bonus at vet 3

the Comet's anti-tank capability is good, but it can't win in a straight fight against the heavier axis beyond panzer4.

If you mean Panther, Tiger and King Tiger it should not be able to (although it might if it circle strafe the 2 super heavies) for a number of reasons:

1) It is not the role of main battle tank to win vs a TD like Panther or far more expensive Supper heavies. That is firefly is there.

2) Comet's cost efficiency needs to be close to Churchill so that hammer anvil is actually a choice.

3) It will win vs Brumbar which is heavier than PzIV as it should.

and allies "super heavy" does not exist. the IS-2 and pershing are tiger level at best and merely a even match against panther. Panther usually die to concentrated tank destroyer fire.

Allied "Super heavies" exist. It a term used by Relic to describe the unit that currently limited to 1.

IS-2 has King Tiger level armor which is more than Tiger. IS-2 has a very good chance to win vs Panther so I would call it an even match.

lasty, hammer provide two ability and the comet unlock. The tank is the main draw for hammer.

Actually 3 abilities not 2 and no. At 200/50 the unlock is cheap enough to be worth it for the abilities alone alone even if one does not built Churchill/Comets.

Yellow cover doesn't "negate" smallarm, it merely mitigable it. Anyone that play this game should know that yellow cover does not make your infantry immune to small.

coaxial matter even if they are diminished by cover and veterancy. Remember when t-34 got the buff to its mgs?

If the issue is the Hmg simply remove them from the Panther but make the unit worth it in the AT role since currently Stug is much more cost efficient.

In addition the HMG firing vs unit in cover while moving are not that efficient.

Finally Allied AT infantry have become extremely potent (see AT conscripts) with deadly snare (AT grenade assault, AT satchel, heavy gammon ) so staying in range of AT infantry to fight them with HMG is not a good option.

this also means the comet is on the lower end of dps in terms of anti-infantry. both t34/76 and 85 use the same mgs. sherman get the super HE, panzer4 also get effective mgs. Comet only get the gun. The panzer4 would be a lot less effective against infantry if they were still using the old ost gun.

and subsequently, both wehr pz4 and panther are now using the OKW mg. Even if the dps of mg is mitigable they are still better than the nonexistence mg on the jackson, etc.

T-34/76 (and T-34/85 which was buffer by accident)is simply OP since it cost about the price of Ostwind can fight infantry adequately and can also fight vehicles. If one takes into account the the cost of allied infantry the scale easily tips in favor of allies.

The main problem of Comet is lacking veterancy.

That is a design decision. Most UKF unit start very strong and have weaker veterancy bonuses. On the other hand as pointed out in previous post Comet gets a number of vet 0 goodies like War-speed, tank-commander, smoke, hammer tracking, grenades.

That is a design decision. Most UKF unit start very strong and have weaker veterancy bonuses. On the other hand as pointed out in previous post Comet gets a number of vet 0 goodies like War-speed, tank-commander, smoke, hammer tracking, grenades.

This is abnormal. Everything else gets better bonuses:
• Cromwell gets supercharged cannon at Vet 3.
• Firefly gets reload speed and damage.

Churchill and Centaur aren't great at veterancy, but at the very least they still get reload bonuses. AVRE gets good bonuses. Croc might be the only other unit which doesn't get reload speed, although vet 1 makes it shoot longer.

Comet is the only tank which doesn't get reload bonuses from the veterancy. It is inconsistent to both UFK and the overall design of Coh2. The more plausible explanation is that people found Comets base performance good enough, so they either forgot or skipped the base-line veterancy improvements. However, Comet was nerfed, so perhaps it should be buffed at Vet 3 with 20% reload speed.

This is abnormal. Everything else gets better bonuses:
• Cromwell gets supercharged cannon at Vet 3.
• Firefly gets reload speed and damage.

Churchill and Centaur aren't great at veterancy, but at the very least they still get reload bonuses. AVRE gets good bonuses. Croc might be the only other unit which doesn't get reload speed, although vet 1 makes it shoot longer.

Comet is the only tank which doesn't get reload bonuses from the veterancy. It is inconsistent to both UFK and the overall design of Coh2. The more plausible explanation is that people found Comets base performance good enough, so they either forgot or skipped the base-line veterancy improvements. However, Comet was nerfed, so perhaps it should be buffed at Vet 3 with 20% reload speed.

And again as I pointed out Comets have a number of bonuses and abilities available from vet 0.

In addition when it comes to veterancy an overhaul is long overdue. Ostheer basically get the same veterancies and abilities regardless of unit role while unit like 250 get no veterancy and OKW veterancy have been over-nerfed (for instance vet 3 conscript have better bonuses than vet 3 VG and vet Penal better bonuses than PF).

Finally the XP value of of some units and their veting speed are all over the place.

If you mean Panther, Tiger and King Tiger it should not be able to (although it might if it circle strafe the 2 super heavies) for a number of reasons:

1) It is not the role of main battle tank to win vs a TD like Panther or far more expensive Supper heavies. That is firefly is there.

2) Comet's cost efficiency needs to be close to Churchill so that hammer anvil is actually a choice.

3) It will win vs Brumbar which is heavier than PzIV as it should.


Allied "Super heavies" exist. It a term used by Relic to describe the unit that currently limited to 1.

IS-2 has King Tiger level armor which is more than Tiger. IS-2 has a very good chance to win vs Panther so I would call it an even match.


Actually 3 abilities not 2 and no. At 200/50 the unlock is cheap enough to be worth it for the abilities alone alone even if one does not built Churchill/Comets.



If the issue is the Hmg simply remove them from the Panther but make the unit worth it in the AT role since currently Stug is much more cost efficient.

In addition the HMG firing vs unit in cover while moving are not that efficient.

Finally Allied AT infantry have become extremely potent (see AT conscripts) with deadly snare (AT grenade assault, AT satchel, heavy gammon ) so staying in range of AT infantry to fight them with HMG is not a good option.


T-34/76 (and T-34/85 which was buffer by accident)is simply OP since it cost about the price of Ostwind can fight infantry adequately and can also fight vehicles. If one takes into account the the cost of allied infantry the scale easily tips in favor of allies.


That is a design decision. Most UKF unit start very strong and have weaker veterancy bonuses. On the other hand as pointed out in previous post Comet gets a number of vet 0 goodies like War-speed, tank-commander, smoke, hammer tracking, grenades.

you're losing sight of my original point. I am asking for a cost decrease.

the comet is weaker than the panther at anti-tank. That's to be expected since historical the comet was weaker than the panter in a straight fight. This is fact everyone agree on.

The comet trade in anti- tank capability for anti-infantry capability. It is not superior to the panther and thus should not be more expensive. the comet should get at least a price decrease to match the panther.

Don't just pretend the comet was not the most nerfed unit in the recent patches. Even if I agree the nerfs were justified, it also mean the price of the comet needs to be re-evaluated.

and secondly, both panther get blitz to match the comet's warspeed eventually. This further reinforce the point that comet scale badly compare to most unit.



If the axis want to retain their tank superiority, they should at least expect to pay extra for them.

The comet trade in anti- tank capability for anti-infantry capability.

Except that the Comet doesn't have weak anti-tank so there is no real tradeoff.

Except that the Comet doesn't have weak anti-tank so there is no real tradeoff.

compare to the panther it's definitely got weaker anti-tank.

the comet cost 500 mp 185 to the panther's 490mp 175fuel, so comparison is absolutely fair.

if you need AT, why do not you build Firefly !?
comets are a good universal tank, if you compare it, then with pershing/is2/tiger but not with panther

you're losing sight of my original point. I am asking for a cost decrease.

the comet is weaker than the panther at anti-tank. That's to be expected since historical the comet was weaker than the panter in a straight fight. This is fact everyone agree on.

The comet trade in anti- tank capability for anti-infantry capability. It is not superior to the panther and thus should not be more expensive. the comet should get at least a price decrease to match the panther.

Main battle tanks (MBT) in this game are more expensive than specialized tanks even if worse in the specific role.

PzIV is worse than Stug in AT yet its more expensive the same way Panther in better in AT than the Comet.

You also do not take into account the Tech cost of Ostheer tier 4 that provides very little compared to Hammer which in my opinion pay for it self even if one does not built a single Comet.

Finally you do not take into account that although Panther is better as AT on paper it is not cost efficient, due to the effectiveness of allied TDs.

Don't just pretend the comet was not the most nerfed unit in the recent patches. Even if I agree the nerfs were justified, it also mean the price of the comet needs to be re-evaluated.

and secondly, both panther get blitz to match the comet's warspeed eventually. This further reinforce the point that comet scale badly compare to most unit.

If the axis want to retain their tank superiority, they should at least expect to pay extra for them.

Panther is also hit with a number of nerfs.

The fact that it "scale" worse does not mean much if it starts better. If I have 10 dollars and you have 1 I will still remain richer than you in I earn 10% of my estate and you earn 100%.

(Commandos are prime example of being overbuffed in their vet bonuses compared to PG for about the same price, since they are way better at vet 0)

Comet get "warspeed" and 45 vision from vet 0 which OKW needs to get vet 1 and vet 5 (while being inferior since it requires to be stationary) so although it get less bonuses for vetting it does necessarily mean its in worse spot when fully vetted.

In addition it has the same XP value as ostheer Panther while being more expensive and it fighting units generally more expensive units thus it vets faster.

As I also have explain Vetting needs an overhaul.

compare to the panther it's definitely got weaker anti-tank.

the comet cost 500 mp 185 to the panther's 490mp 175fuel, so comparison is absolutely fair.

Comparing an TD with a MBT is misleading.

And that is why T-34/76 is too cost efficient with low Pop compared to Ostwind for a similar price.

Closing, as I explained before, one first has to give a role/balance the Panther and then use it as benchmark to balance allied Premiums.

Main battle tanks (MBT) in this game are more expensive than specialized tanks even if worse in the specific role.

PzIV is worse than Stug in AT yet its more expensive the same way Panther in better in AT than the Comet.

You also do not take into account the Tech cost of Ostheer tier 4 that provides very little compared to Hammer which in my opinion pay for it self even if one does not built a single Comet.

Finally you do not take into account that although Panther is better as AT on paper it is not cost efficient, due to the effectiveness of allied TDs.



Panther is also hit with a number of nerfs.

The fact that it "scale" worse does not mean much if it starts better. If I have 10 dollars and you have 1 I will still remain richer than you in I earn 10% of my estate and you earn 100%.

(Commandos are prime example of being overbuffed in their vet bonuses compared to PG for about the same price, since they are way better at vet 0)

Comet get "warspeed" and 45 vision from vet 0 which OKW needs to get vet 1 and vet 5 (while being inferior since it requires to be stationary) so although it get less bonuses for vetting it does necessarily mean its in worse spot when fully vetted.

In addition it has the same XP value as ostheer Panther while being more expensive and it fighting units generally more expensive units thus it vets faster.

As I also have explain Vetting needs an overhaul.


Comparing an TD with a MBT is misleading.

And that is why T-34/76 is too cost efficient with low Pop compared to Ostwind for a similar price.

Closing, as I explained before, one first has to give a role/balance the Panther and then use it as benchmark to balance allied Premiums.

The panther is not a true specialist.

The old wehr panther might have been a real specialist, but it lose the claim when it got a buff to its mg. (and coincidentally a reload buff).

The panther might have worse Pure anti-infantry than the comet, but it's still better than true TD.

Stop with the false equivalence and try to categorizes the panther as a pure TD like the Jackson.

and similarly, the comet's main gun might be similar to the gun on the other medium, but the t34, sherman, panzer4, and cromwell are better at AI due to mg, reload, or AOE.

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The panther is not a true specialist.
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It has the main gun of TD, it also has HMGs. Call it what you like but one can not relay on it to counter infantry.

Ostheer Panther with HMGs or not is simply not a cost efficient unit (with very high Pop.)

And again my original point is that one must first find a role/balance Panther and then balance the Comet.

and similarly, the comet's main gun might be similar to the gun on the other medium, but the t34, sherman, panzer4, and cromwell are better at AI due to mg, reload, or AOE.

It also has grenades, WP and 45 vision and can easily kite AT PG, AT SP or AT ST. It can even counter counter ATGs better than most other tanks.

So I am not really sure what someone should expect from this unit.

It has the main gun of TD, it also has HMGs. Call it what you like but one can not relay on it to counter infantry.

Ostheer Panther with HMGs or not is simply not a cost efficient unit (with very high Pop.)

And again my original point is that one must first find a role/balance Panther and then balance the Comet.


It also has grenades, WP and 45 vision and can easily kite AT PG, AT SP or AT ST. It can even counter counter ATGs better than most other tanks.

So I am not really sure what someone should expect from this unit.

panther have the gun of a td but the MG's of a medium tank. That is not a true specialist.

The su-85, jackson, and Jp4 all lack any mg. The Firely have one weak coaxial that's more cosmetic.
The old wehr panther had cosmetic mg, but no longer. They were buffed

The devil is in the details. lumping the current panther into the same group as the pure TD is a gross simplification at best, and a complete disregard for reality at worst.

The devil is in the details. lumping the current panther into the same group as the pure TD is a gross simplification at best, and a complete disregard for reality at worst.

The devil is in the details. lumping the current panther into the same group as Comet is a gross simplification at best, and a complete disregard for reality at worst.

The devil is in the details. lumping the current panther into the same group as Comet is a gross simplification at best, and a complete disregard for reality at worst.

You do the very same thing comparing JP4 to allied TDs vs heavy armor, even though JP4 is not meant to fight it...

The devil is in the details. lumping the current panther into the same group as Comet is a gross simplification at best, and a complete disregard for reality at worst.

price comparison is not just about comparing verus units in your category, it also need to be compared to units in other role as well.

unfortunately the panther is also the closest thing in price to the comet. The tiger is more similar in role but still way tougher than the comet.

...The tiger is more similar in role but still way tougher than the comet.

And more expensive and limited to 1. For good reasons too.

And more expensive and limited to 1. For good reasons too.

which make price analysis through tiger vs comet significantly more difficult.

as it is the panther have more in common with the comet than the tiger with comet, despite the role difference.

This is what we have and we have to work with it.

which make price analysis through tiger vs comet significantly more difficult.

as it is the panther have more in common with the comet than the tiger with comet, despite the role difference.

This is what we have and we have to work with it.

But Panther is not in good spot. One has to first fix the Panther and then move the Comet.

price comparison is not just about comparing verus units in your category, it also need to be compared to units in other role as well.

unfortunately the panther is also the closest thing in price to the comet. The tiger is more similar in role but still way tougher than the comet.

Pershing is probably a better unit to campare with than the tiger, they both have similar strengths, drawbacks and intended usage.

Has anyone honestly tried using it since it was nerfed a few patching ago? Every now and then I give it another shot but every time I really regret it or possible lost the match from wanting to try it. It literally does NOTHING well other than white phos support weps if you can even get it vetted as late as it comes. It has SEVERE problems being able to pen panthers and super heavys. but at the same time its too expensive to really risk it for flanking like mediums. Thats one thing ok its not good vs armor but it is TERRIBLE against Inf also. Try it for you self you can spend alll day shooting at infantry with it and in 5 shots maybe gib 1 model or 2.

I just hate how units get nerfed to fubar, it never beat panthers in AT the way it was before nerf that was a giant lie. Make something good about it please that outweighs the cost like maybe AI of that of the cromwell because right now it makes no sense to get the comet for anything it just sucks at everything relative to its cost.

They should just delete British, US, and Soviet factions.
Then everyone would play Germany, and people would finally stop whining about balance.
Also German factions could be buffed +100000% and it'd still be balanced.

Imagine their joy at all allied factions being deleted.
100% Pure Germany victory, no matter what side wins. Glorious.