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16 Jan 2018, 21:58 PM
#41
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That is not a good figure to gauge how profitable CoH2 is. It doesn't say how many of them buy anything, nor how interested they are in new DLC/Expansions/CoH3. Since Relic isn't making new DLC/Expansions for Coh2, we can assume it isn't profitable/worthwhile to make them. CoH2 base game has been on deep sale/bundles/even free, the base game is peanuts as far as generating additional revenue is concerned. Did Sega even get the pre-order money from Coh2, because I cannot find whether they won the lawsuit?

If AoE4 is a windows store exclusive (looks like the case), Relic is in a big trouble. Windows Store is a joke for PC exclusives, it is going to sell worse than DoW3.


It is likely COH2 made money since it sold well.

Most developers don't just endlessly churn out DLC / expansions, They want to make new games.
16 Jan 2018, 22:02 PM
#42
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If AoE4 is a windows store exclusive (looks like the case), Relic is in a big trouble. Windows Store is a joke for PC exclusives, it is going to sell worse than DoW3.

Yes, but that is well known, so one should assume that Microsoft is paying a lot to have it Windows Store exclusive!
16 Jan 2018, 22:07 PM
#43
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If AoE4 is a windows store exclusive (looks like the case)

let me guess.. AoE4 will also get locked behind win10 + DX12? this would be the ultimate fail :clap:
16 Jan 2018, 22:16 PM
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16 Jan 2018, 23:10 PM
#46
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it is just a random post on glassdoor, not sure if its of much value.

DoW3 bombed hard but I would hate for them to go under.
16 Jan 2018, 23:24 PM
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17 Jan 2018, 00:04 AM
#48
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Given that you’re a current employee, I have a favor to ask of you – keep the feedback coming! Speak up at our AMAs, we can go grab a quick coffee, or you can just send me an email. I always want to hear your thoughts, not only about the good things, but also where we can improve and if I’ve let you down. Especially if I’ve let you down.


This made me laugh.
17 Jan 2018, 00:15 AM
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I really doubt they would straight up shut down Relic if AoE4 fails. Lelic has a ton of talent, especially with art, sound, and animation. I'd expect them to gut management and turn the company to making other projects, and abandon RTS.
17 Jan 2018, 01:06 AM
#50
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Hi there, Darren here from the video you linked.

Can you please remove me from this post or change the wording surrounding it? You've made it out like I've officially confirmed something because I was an employee of Creative Assembly.

What I said in my video at the two time stamps you linked is all completely speculative. Quote one:

"And I really feel like if Relic don't do it right Relic are gone because their last game was such a colossal failure, and their game before that wasn't a failure... I don't know, but I don't think... I wasn't around to check the steamspy stats at the time but I know from playing it was not as good as COH1 and people were vocal about the DLC... so I dunno, I really dunno..."

Here I've mentioned that I relied on steamspy stats to discern that DOW3 was a failure commercially. I don't know how SEGA view it internally. I don't know the budget for the game. I worked as a video editor on a marketing team within the Total War team, in a different continent.

Quote two:
"I honestly feel like it's on them not to [muck it up] otherwise as a studio they will close down, I really do believe that. Sega don't close that many studios but they have been known to and I feel like if they don't really make something good with this one, they're going to be screwed."

Hopefully I don't need to explain that this is just speculation. I predict industry news for many studios, based on articles, steamspy information and playerbases etc. I do not, nor have I received insider information about anything going on at Relic. So I have not "confirmed" anything. I just also share the feeling that after a few bad games, a studio may close down.

Please can OP update their post to reflect this, as I may get unwanted legal attention coming my way, and as a very small youtuber losing money each month, I simply cannot afford it.

Thanks,

Darren



17 Jan 2018, 02:55 AM
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"We can go grab a quick coffee"
17 Jan 2018, 06:11 AM
#52
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Can you please remove me from this post or change the wording surrounding it? You've made it out like I've officially confirmed something because I was an employee of Creative Assembly.

This was my point about the whole glassdoor thing. I have never worked someplace where everyone was happy. Someone is always upset about "how things run". So you cant put much stock in it. Its fun to speculate though :hyper:

Amis photo has me wondering. Has Relic ever tried to monetize the players? It would be tricky but I can see 1000's of VonIvan t-shirts being sold. LuvNest gas mask logo only on black T? These guys are literal stars and Relic could be pushing them in some way and making a profit at the same time. Growing the hype and fan base as opposed to pissing everyone off with DLC commanders etc. Then they get in bed with mice and keyboard manufacturers?

Also, I need to dig in deeper to the COH2 history. Amis photos made it look like Relic had their shit in order when the visit occurred. There were banners and PCs so the guys could play, etc. As opposed to so many of the Relic events I have seen recently where it looks like no one even bothered to get ready or gave two shits. What was 1st for me? War Paint where Stormless interviewed DevM and Jesulin with like a headset for a mic and they passed it back and forth. I remember going.."Really, I have about 24 mics, 4 mixers, 3 compressors, etc at my house right now. WTF?"

So was relic always half-assed and unprepared or is that a recent thing?
17 Jan 2018, 08:36 AM
#53
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Just FYI;

great community manager.. just like coh2's ones Kappa
17 Jan 2018, 09:04 AM
#54
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I doubt COH3 is doomed even if AoE4 bombs. A few likely directions this could go

Scenario 1- Sega already owns the COH IP and fires Relic, they put someone else like Creative Assembly on making a new CoH eventually.
Scenario 2- Relic owns the rights to COH, Sega dumps them
A) gets picked up by someone else (like Paradox or 2k) and develops COH3
B) is blackedballed by publishers, downsizes to make COH3 as a shitty indie dev
C) Relic completely folds, sells the COH IP to the highest bidder (Sega, Paradox, 2K)

Preferably someone like CA or Eugen develops COH3. If Relic goes to another publisher there is a small chance they make a good game. If we get a indie Relic COH3 the series dies a horrible death. Bottom line if AoE4 is a dumpster fire we aren't getting a Relic+Sega COH3.
17 Jan 2018, 09:31 AM
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Photo in post #44 invised
17 Jan 2018, 09:47 AM
#56
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Too bad Sega bought Relic, righty? I am pretty sure that Microsoft is gonna sit on relics asses to ensure AoE4 becomes a megahit like AoE 2.
17 Jan 2018, 10:46 AM
#57
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A) gets picked up by someone else (like Paradox or 2k) and develops COH3



paradox would be an awesome developer, they make the best games and are really really committed to their communities.
17 Jan 2018, 10:54 AM
#58
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Jan 2018, 21:58 PMwuff


It is likely COH2 made money since it sold well.

Most developers don't just endlessly churn out DLC / expansions, They want to make new games.




True dat. I don't see how coh2 is not profitable while games such as sniper elite keep releasing new titles every couple of years .
Coh2 sold a lot of copies, far more than relic or sega expected and it is relic's most sold game ever.
but it's an arcade game so they can only release so much DLC to keep it generating cash .
If they can hire some company to do a market study for them , and act on it they would be so much better off. Imagine if they make another ESL season or make the vanilla factions free to play or something .
17 Jan 2018, 11:30 AM
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When a letter came to the mail about the "Future of the Company of Heroes", it mentioned a free DLC. Who knows what it was about?
17 Jan 2018, 11:39 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post17 Jan 2018, 10:46 AMrush



paradox would be an awesome developer, they make the best games and are really really committed to their communities.


... and they release patches which require overpriced dlcs. A commander would probably cost 15 bucks.
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Osinyagov: Suddenly, coh2 is slowly dying, but you can play it, playerbase still big enough
09 Apr 2025, 17:00 PM
Osinyagov: Wow, i remember you from zansi and vali videos, good old memories
09 Apr 2025, 16:58 PM
Beinhard: o7 miss this game and zansi
09 Apr 2025, 14:09 PM
Lady Xenarra: @Willy Pete The lack of April Fools this year is odd lol
02 Apr 2025, 01:34 AM
Willy Pete: @Rosbone not dead yet. when that happens the font will switch to Papyrus :*(
02 Apr 2025, 00:16 AM
dasheepeh: it was an honor guys :guyokay:
01 Apr 2025, 20:34 PM
aerafield: yeah I already prepared my "Can't believe there's comic mode for the 10 daily visitors even on this April 1st" :guyokay:
01 Apr 2025, 20:29 PM
Rosbone: @dasheepeh I guess that means this site is officially dead :guyokay:
01 Apr 2025, 20:19 PM
dasheepeh: no comic sans font for april 1st this year?
01 Apr 2025, 19:56 PM
Willy Pete: @Lady Xenarra this you? https://i.imgflip.com/3e4thi.jpg
01 Apr 2025, 02:53 AM
Lady Xenarra: Does anyone else think that USF needs buffs? It feels like they’re on life support sometimes
01 Apr 2025, 02:36 AM
Willy Pete: @Rosbone Ahh I missed that memo. I still think its a bad decision though. Adds frustration for players and isnt gonna make them that much money
27 Mar 2025, 15:46 PM
Rosbone: It is also good they left it free until after the free to play weekend. Points for that.
27 Mar 2025, 09:34 AM
Rosbone: But I agree, the cost to get a full decent Coh game pushing $115 US is not the best idea. Especially when it needs so much more work for casuals.
27 Mar 2025, 09:32 AM
Rosbone: To be fair, it was a thank you to early fans right? They said it was not free for long and it would become a pay DLC at some point.
27 Mar 2025, 09:30 AM
Willy Pete: Re-releasing free DLC so they can charge new players money for it. Brilliant marketing strategy :clap:
27 Mar 2025, 04:31 AM
Soheil: Coh2 still broken server ?
25 Mar 2025, 18:27 PM
Rosbone: Congrats to Relic. Looks like Coh3 has finally usurped Coh2 s the popular Coh. You smell terrific. :snfQuinn:.
24 Mar 2025, 02:46 AM
Nickbn: and again someone else replies. I mean come on guys. Give @adamírcz a chance
22 Mar 2025, 14:00 PM
Willy Pete: @Nickbn you didn't ask a question, and this is a chat box...
20 Mar 2025, 13:11 PM
Nickbn: @Rosbone it's incredibly rude to speak on someone elses behalf, especially when a question is directly adressed to them. I understand your passion for the subject at hand but I want to hear from him.
20 Mar 2025, 10:16 AM
Rosbone: @Nickbn No, I am just saying people should not be using any Relic owned forum since they have proven they ban anyone who says true things about Coh3.
18 Mar 2025, 19:01 PM
Nickbn: @Rosbone do you speak on his behalf? I didn't know. In that case keep us updated please.
18 Mar 2025, 16:47 PM
Rosbone: #RelicModdedEchoChamber
16 Mar 2025, 17:54 PM
Rosbone: @Nickbn True except, the only people on the Relic Discord/Reddit/Steam are brain washed monkey zealots. They wont even understand what @adamírcz is talking about. Anyone else is banned.
16 Mar 2025, 17:54 PM
Nickbn: @adamírcz might be a better idea to voice this to relic directly than to voice it here, in a shoutbox of a nearly deade fansite #justsaying...
16 Mar 2025, 16:36 PM
webdesign-muenchen-w: @Rosbone it is sick
14 Mar 2025, 22:09 PM
aerafield: @adamírcz aren't the first two disconnects free every day?
14 Mar 2025, 19:26 PM
Rosbone: It is so unlike Relic to punish its fans and community.
14 Mar 2025, 12:07 PM
adamírcz: So, I just got a leaver penalty without even getting onto the loading screen because of the game disconnecting, bravo Relic
14 Mar 2025, 10:45 AM
Rosbone: It is an indicator of the very short sighted capitalist view that plagues any company where leadership does not understand the product.
13 Mar 2025, 20:00 PM
Rosbone: They dont care about Coh3 or Coh in general. They are just trying to grab cash by ripping off the small user base they have.
13 Mar 2025, 19:58 PM
Rosbone: Just making mistake after mistake after mistake.
13 Mar 2025, 19:57 PM
Rosbone: It is clear they crapped out an unfinished game. And are now barely supporting it as they make new smaller games. Coh3 is stillborn. It will be meh for at least another 2-4 years. Meaning they killed the whole franchise instead of growing it.
13 Mar 2025, 19:56 PM
Rosbone: For a thing they could fix in minutes. Literally minutes.
13 Mar 2025, 19:53 PM
Rosbone: If I did play coh3 and was mainly a skirmish player, I would be pissed and probably stop playing. And it has been like this since release. Why? I would not tell my friends to buy a game I am not even playing. Lost sales and angered users.
13 Mar 2025, 19:53 PM
Rosbone: I am just saddened how Relic keeps hurting themselves by not fixing 5 minute things like menus. Why anger users with stuff that could be fixed in minutes???
13 Mar 2025, 19:50 PM
Rosbone: I was wondering why people think I was raging. I think it was when I said "because coh3 sucks so bad". That was not my opinion. Just a general feel from top players/streamers. I dont play Coh3 and have NO opinion of it.
13 Mar 2025, 19:48 PM
OKSpitfire: You can rage as often as you like btw, you usually manage to make it pretty funny.
12 Mar 2025, 11:18 AM
Rosbone: So it was a systemic failure across multiple disciplines and check points.
12 Mar 2025, 04:30 AM
Rosbone: Knowing how companies work, I imagine a new hire making the menus. The API they are using is complicated and things were hard to figure out. But at some point QA or management should have addressed these things. Usually within 6 months of starting.
12 Mar 2025, 04:29 AM
Rosbone: @theekvn I dont hate Coh3 or Relic. I just dont understand how you work on Coh3 for like 7 years and the menu system is worse than if a Programming 101 student made it. Feel free to explain it to me.
12 Mar 2025, 04:07 AM
theekvn: + 33% dmg rear hit was best deal ever.
12 Mar 2025, 04:00 AM
theekvn: KT just need fuel debuf from 15% to 50%, Ele arc of fire- aim time improve and they are good to go
12 Mar 2025, 03:59 AM
theekvn: and please Rosbone,I know you hate Coh3 to the bone due to your drama with relic, Still, Can you give a proper point of view instead of raging ?.
12 Mar 2025, 03:54 AM
theekvn: you rather go 76 to unity Whizbang 2.0 or go home.
12 Mar 2025, 03:52 AM
theekvn: also US tier 4 is 145f and Sherman pen 140 nerf is too much.
12 Mar 2025, 03:52 AM
theekvn: Whizbang lock behind CP, meanwhile stuka is techtree progress
12 Mar 2025, 03:51 AM
KoRneY: @aerafield It's possible that it is underpriced for what it is capable of now, no need to go full retard and take it immediately as a massive problem. It costs 60 more MP than a pz.3 and in 2v2 the barrage can be quite strong.
07 Mar 2025, 19:14 PM
OKSpitfire: I do like that they made the Stuka more expensive instead of nerfing it into the ground though. Found it pretty unsatisfying to use before that buff a while back....
06 Mar 2025, 16:35 PM
aerafield: USF already is by far the shittiest faction in terms of countering blobbing and turtling, now they supposedly have one overtuned tool locked behind a BG and it's immediately a massive problem?
06 Mar 2025, 13:33 PM
Lady Xenarra: I think post-2.0 Whizbang buffs, the price is too low esp since the Stuka got nerfed in cost too. Speaking of which, how exactly is one supposed to successfully dive this Sherman in disguise? Med tank spam running into SSFs?
06 Mar 2025, 12:13 PM
OKSpitfire: A powerful, doctrinal unit that outperforms stock stuff? Colour me shocked! :P
06 Mar 2025, 10:49 AM
Willy Pete: Cool you wanna lose your stock lategame arty too then?
06 Mar 2025, 03:20 AM
Lady Xenarra: WTB Whizzbang for DAK instead of Stuka, 5 fuel cheape, 60MP more expensive and next to impossible to dive. :rofl:
05 Mar 2025, 20:27 PM
Rosbone: It is also hard to expect Relic to help Coh2 when they cant even make working menus in Coh3 yet, 2 years after release and at full price+ for DLCs. Thats like asking a fish to do calculus.
04 Mar 2025, 02:58 AM
Rosbone: But this last patch has made good progress for grabbing players. All we can hope is Coh3 gets to Coh2s quality level before everyone abandons the franchise. Its Relic so they will completely f*%k it up as usual. But its a hope/cope.
04 Mar 2025, 02:55 AM
Rosbone: Relic wants Coh2 to fail so players will migrate to Coh3. It is hard to blame them since Coh3 sucks so bad. It needs all the help it can get.
04 Mar 2025, 02:53 AM

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