MP40 Volks Under-performing

Jump back to quoted post18 Feb 2018, 10:55 AMKatitof

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Jump back to quoted post19 Feb 2018, 02:48 AMOutsider_Sidaroth

Why would anyone try to brute force counter much more expensive CQC units with Volks with MP40s? Isn't that a flawed plan to begin with? MP40 Volks can get a lot of work done, as deep flankers, else yeah just stick to the STGs.

Jump back to quoted post19 Feb 2018, 09:37 AMjagd wölfe

"Much more expensive"
You are so biased you don't even know basic core axis units costs (probably because you haven't played axis at all)
Volks mp40 are more expensive than cons ppsh so "Why would anyone try to brute force counter much more expensive CQC units with cons ppsh" ?

Jump back to quoted post19 Feb 2018, 15:23 PMVipper

Pppsh conscripts are OP:

1) They should not have a weapon slot once upgraded
2) They should not have access to the defensive "hit the dirt" ability (which should be timed and not toggle)
3) One should not mix bolt action rifles with smgs. The upgrade should either replace all 6 weapons or should give access to 3 SVTs to pre-patch Penal levels.

Finally all smgs should have minimum range set to 0 while all bolt action should have minimum range set to somewhere between 5-15.

Jump back to quoted post19 Feb 2018, 15:56 PMA table

Point 1 and 2 are things i agree with, but i disagree on point 3. I'd rather not have 3- 4 squads of cons with SMG's running around like rambo's wrecking infantry and vehicles left, right and center.

Jump back to quoted post19 Feb 2018, 15:00 PMOutsider_Sidaroth

You pay what? 10 more MP and around the same munitions? Many think PPSH Cons are slightly OP, so they might get tonned down in due time, if we ever get another patch

Jump back to quoted post19 Feb 2018, 16:53 PMthedarkarmadillo

Didnt con ppsh used to give 6 long time ago? Since there is a commander with con ppsh and shocks it would need a more radical adjustment i think since paying munitions and having sprint as well as the flexibility of a snare and Molotov is way more attractive than spending 50% more manpowerfor a bit more durability and a gaping stomach wound as far as MP bleed goes...

Jump back to quoted post19 Feb 2018, 16:03 PMVipper

If Conscripts get 6 Ppsh their DPS should probably be adjusted.

The point is that long range weapons like bolt action rifles and short range weapons like smgs should not be available in the same unit.

Jump back to quoted post19 Feb 2018, 17:07 PMjagd wölfe

Costs slighly more = costs more
Much more expensive = wrong

Jump back to quoted post19 Feb 2018, 21:36 PMullumulu

i said it right after the dpb release: cons with ppsh are to strong.

dont forget they have ourraah, molotovs, TA nades, super cheap, 6model squad, super heavy dmg in close combat, and not really out of glass....they have ok durability

Jump back to quoted post20 Feb 2018, 05:55 AMKatitof

While you're on the "don't forget" duty, then don't forget about both axis factions having HMGs with cons are helpless against.

Jump back to quoted post20 Feb 2018, 05:55 AMKatitof

Against what?


While you're on the "don't forget" duty, then don't forget about both axis factions having HMGs with cons are helpless against.

Plus, STG volk blobs trade very well with ppsh.

Jump back to quoted post19 Feb 2018, 18:01 PMRussianHamster

I spoke during a week about 2 months ago what cons with PPSh are OP, I gave a replays, I gave lab tests, but nobody listened to me.
It takes 2 months, I go to coh2.org and what do I see? Peoples talkig about OP PPSh cons.


P.S. Proof.