MP40 Volks Under-performing

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2017, 09:15 AMwandererraven

Cruzz's DPS calculator but outdate
not include Volk 0.93 Rec acc buff


PPSH range 30/16/10
Mp-40 range 30/17/10

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2017, 22:56 PMJae For Jett

This is using the assault grenadiers' mp40s. Do we have actual confirmation that this is the weapon that volks use as well?

Jump back to quoted post27 Dec 2017, 22:56 PMJae For Jett

This is using the assault grenadiers' mp40s. Do we have actual confirmation that this is the weapon that volks use as well?

Jump back to quoted post28 Dec 2017, 23:35 PMStorm Elite

It's not the Volks (though the default Volks are garbage). It's the MP40s.

Assault Grenadiers are unusable because of how completely unviable MP40s are and have been forever.

Zero damage at all ranges, with basically the same damage output at melee range as basic Grenadier rifles.

Using any unit with MP40s right now (and for the past, like, two or more years) is just self-handicapping.

Jump back to quoted post29 Dec 2017, 00:37 AMColonel0tto

The last line is blatantly untrue, since assault grenadiers have been always been used regularly on urban maps in all game modes.

On the main point:
MP40s are slightly weaker because they always come on units that have extra utility. Assault grenadiers can spawn immediately, can sprint and have exellent anti-building nades. MP40 upgraded volks can close distance with smoke and have nice regular nades. Having two units do exactly the same thing is just stale.

As stated before in this thread, MP40s are a situational upgrade. You're not going to use them against soviets because you won't get value out of them (no high tier squishy infantry). But using them to flank support weapons, to close range with dug-in infantry sections or to quickly kill units like pathfinders can be a good bet.

Jump back to quoted post18 Feb 2018, 07:18 AMRappy

Confirmed, MP40 are a waste of time.
I carried out the aforementioned test with cons, they barely survive closing in. Pathetic addition.

Jump back to quoted post18 Feb 2018, 08:04 AMmortiferum

it gets outdone massively by PPSH cons anyway, so it is a totally useles unit.

Dont even mention shocks, rangers, paras, commandos either.

Jump back to quoted post18 Feb 2018, 10:55 AMKatitof

Now, stay with me guys but what if
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Jump back to quoted post18 Feb 2018, 16:29 PMmortiferum

What if:

Volksgren loses all long range capability since all 5 rifles are now MP40s
Volksgren cost 10 MP more

And still cant beat the conscript )))))))

Jump back to quoted post18 Feb 2018, 16:48 PMKatitof

What range?
What cover?
Who approached who?
What was the vet?

I can do tests showing infantry sections losing to osttruppen you know.

If there is no actual evidence of the test, I assume it was made the same way the tests of smoking companies proving that cigarettes are not responsible for cancer but in fact cure it.

Jump back to quoted post18 Feb 2018, 23:29 PMStorm Elite

Are people seriously arguing that and UPGRADE (that costs munitions) is SUPPOSED to be weak and non-threatening?

When the enemy faction has BASELINE UNITS that are ten times more threatening, while your units pose no threat to anyone, ever, the game is a complete farce in terms of design.

This isn't even a balance issue. Balance issues require minor tweaks. The COMPLETE lack of threat from both MP40 Volks and Volksgrenadiers in general is a joke.

Same conclusion as with all other aspects of Axis faction design: Allied units are all hyper threatening to Axis units, but Axis units threaten absolutely no one, ever, under any circumstances.