FBP: M36 Jackson Discussion

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2017, 17:45 PMmiragefla

I thought I would quickly add this discussion
Upcoming Changes for 1.2:
-Cost from 380/135 to 400/145
-Accuracy for standard and HVAP from 0.06/0.05/0.03 to 0.055/0.04/0.03
-Far penetration from 180 to 200.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2017, 21:54 PMTiger Baron

That's also the reason why I gave out the idea for an upgrade for the Jackson to the M36B1 that uses the Sherman hull, or for the M4A2 Jumbo to be added to provide the USF with a meatshield for their Jacksons because if we're honest, that's the only thing the USF lacks

Jump back to quoted post1 Aug 2017, 00:07 AMLuciano

The only thing i was worried about is its health, i dont really care about the other things, if it doesnt die with 3 atg shots i will be happy

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2017, 23:34 PMskemshead

I would like to know,

1. What is the range of p4 and stugs, if jackson range is going to be 60.

2. How often will jackson hit at max range.

3. On a map like Kholodny Ferma where tanks are engaging around centre vp, what range is that roughly. No
point obsessing about max range if all meaningful combat is closer to medium range.

4. What is Ostheer's counter to the jackson in the eyes of the mod team.

All in all I would like to see improvements to p4 and panther accuracy on the move in parallel to jackson changes.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2017, 22:35 PMMistah_S

Thats more like it!
Doesnt feel too OP if the cost is high


Thats what infrantry section is for

Jump back to quoted post1 Aug 2017, 02:23 AMmiragefla

2. Will hit the StuG G 60% of the time at maximum if it is stationary. 69% vs the Panzer IV.

Jump back to quoted post1 Aug 2017, 10:07 AMVipper

That is the chance to score a "natural" hit. Chance is actually higher due to "collision" hits.

Jump back to quoted post1 Aug 2017, 02:23 AMmiragefla

1. 40 and 50 respectively.

2. Will hit the StuG G 60% of the time at maximum if it is stationary. 69% vs the Panzer IV.

4. Infantry-based AT such as ATGs or Shrecks are its hardest counters. Panthers and StuG Gs end up in the soft counter role since both units combat each other, though they also hardcounter the other two units in the USF Major tier. In a slugfest a StuG G should still win vs the Jackson due to its rate of fire should you close at an odd angle or catch it by surprise. I guess mass mediums could also work depending if the Jackson gets any pricer where it's not cost effective to mass Jacksons against medium tank groups.

Of course the issue is distance, but our main thing will likely be adjust the Jackson's accuracy at this point so it's less viable against medium tanks.

My personal thing is that I want to improve Panther and PIV but the usual scope locks us out. I tried to get the Panther in as a TD/TH to no avail.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2017, 17:03 PMmiragefla

Do note on the Jackson it's likely only get a slight adjustment now. No more big reworks like Penals.

What is being discussed to ease the unit in:

1. Less accuracy. Primarily meant to make the M36 worse against medium vehicles and slightly worse at firing at distance.

2. Higher cost back near to the 1.0 levels. Given it's the most mobile TD with 40 sight, good health, good firepower, it should be pricer. This also leaves more room for M4 Shermans rather than just Jacksons and Scotts.

3. Reverting far-range penetration back to normal levels. Since this unit penetrates mediums regularly, no differences there. This is mainly to allow it to keep plinking at heavies, but for best effect, you want to close.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2017, 21:54 PMTiger Baron

That's also the reason why I gave out the idea for an upgrade for the Jackson to the M36B1 that uses the Sherman hull, or for the M4A2 Jumbo to be added to provide the USF with a meatshield for their Jacksons because if we're honest, that's the only thing the USF lacks, vehicles that can take a hit, except for the Pershing of course, but it's a singular heavy tank that's more akin to the Panther and it can't be everywhere at once to provide cover for your Jacksons.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jul 2017, 17:45 PMmiragefla

I thought I would quickly add this discussion here since this unit is getting the most talk in a thread meant for more general feedback. I will add a poll shortly after as I'm typing this in a hurry. Also here's a preview on what we had in-mind for the next changes due to feedback.

Current Changes:
-Cost to 380/135 from 350/125
-Health from 480 to 600
-Penetration from 240/220/200 to 280/230/180
-Accuracy for standard and HVAP from 0.06/0.05/0.04 to 0.06/0.05/0.03


Upcoming Changes for 1.2:

-Cost from 380/135 to 400/145
-Accuracy for standard and HVAP from 0.06/0.05/0.03 to 0.055/0.04/0.03
-Far penetration from 180 to 200.