osttruppen

Jump back to quoted post30 Jan 2017, 08:29 AMTiger Baron

I think he meant reserve infantry, you know where you pay 200 ammo for 2 or 3 squads at the most of Osttruppen who replace fallen models during that time.

I never use it because I think it's useless in larger team games but I think it could be used situationally in smaller 1v1 or 2v2 games where you're expecting one hell of a fight and huge losses.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jan 2017, 16:27 PMCrecer13

After playing with osttruppen I came to the conclusion - they need a little late game buff. Maybe buy three SVT-40 or a DP-27 (because it's RLA soldiers and fought with Soviet weapons) after T3 or T4 construction?

Jump back to quoted post30 Jan 2017, 09:32 AMtightrope

Relief infantry is only 90 munitions and you can get 3 squads. It is actually very good, the only reason we don't see more of it is because lightning war also has stuka CAS that is even better.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jan 2017, 07:53 AMSvalbard SD

I'm not sure I understood what you meant here - you don't need to spend ammo to recrew team weapons with Osttruppen.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jan 2017, 10:11 AMSjakie Terreur

AK47's, lightsabers and they should be able to call in Appache support and tesla towers out of there asses and and and..... Come on dude

Jump back to quoted post30 Jan 2017, 12:22 PMWilliam Christensen

Right now, they are really good early to late-of-mid game, but when upgraded infantries arrived, they just dropped like flies. I'm NOT asking for them to be able to fight back ferociously, but rather slightly more resilient at vet 3.‎

Jump back to quoted post30 Jan 2017, 15:15 PMCrecer13

That's what I'm talking. They are not bad as long as come Bren and BAR.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jan 2017, 16:06 PMWilliam Christensen

But then, that does not justify the idea of them getting upgrades. They aren't meant to be combat-effective! They are meant to quickly shore up a frontline for other troops to deal damage. ‎

Jump back to quoted post29 Jan 2017, 22:43 PMTiger Baron

Just because one guy with insane micro does a strat best doesn't mean that the unit is good, it just means he'd good at it, I for example have tried to play like him many times but I couldn't.

I'm sorry but not all of us are StarCraft high APM mad lmg l33t pros that do nothing else but stream competitive CoH all of the time.

On topic: Yes, I do agree that a slight buff could be added to the Osttruppen, like for example only being able to repair building at vet 1/2/3 for example? So they can build AND maintain their own defense, OR give them the ability to build sandbags like Pioneers.

They're basically cheap support infantry that's good at static defense, but they can't make any other defensive structures besides Trenches and Bunkers, and you won't always have the space to build those while you could fit a sandbag there for example.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jan 2017, 10:11 AMSjakie Terreur

AK47's, lightsabers and they should be able to call in Appache support and tesla towers out of there asses and and and..... Come on dude

Jump back to quoted post29 Jan 2017, 20:35 PMJoeH

Ima ignore you now, you are nothing but a troll.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jan 2017, 16:40 PMferwiner

It's the first time I see someone arguing for a change even though he explicitly states that this is going to make top level gameplay even more imbalanced and that it is his l2p issue. Btw, the ballance at lower levels than top of the top is given by the matchmaker rather than stats. If the ballance of top level wasn't important for the community, the whole ballance section of forums wouldn't be needed at all.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jan 2017, 05:21 AMTiger Baron

So what now, let's balance the game around it's best players and how they play instead of around the majority of them players and how THEY play. That's bullshit and really if that were the case then what's the point to balance forums at all? Relic should just either see their replays or add them directly and ask what the top players want and think it would be balanced for them.

Balancing the game around it's top players while leaving the majority down in the mud, struggling to reach the top players' skill level makes absolutely no sense, some people just want to go home and and do a chilling match, not have an intense hardcore competitive match because some people just don't have the time to learn about every stat and every unit and how to use them, they just wanna play.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jan 2017, 06:36 AMMMX

well, maybe you're just trolling or trying to be sarcastic, but if not this is easily the most ridiculous 'concept' of how to properly balance a game i read in years. anyway, the post you quoted basically says it all already. balance should be top-down, not bottom-up, everything else can be adjusted via matchmaking.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jan 2017, 16:40 PMferwiner

It's the first time I see someone arguing for a change even though he explicitly states that this is going to make top level gameplay even more imbalanced and that it is his l2p issue. Btw, the ballance at lower levels than top of the top is given by the matchmaker rather than stats. If the ballance of top level wasn't important for the community, the whole ballance section of forums wouldn't be needed at all.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jan 2017, 05:21 AMTiger Baron

So what now, let's balance the game around it's best players and how they play instead of around the majority of them players and how THEY play. That's bullshit and really if that were the case then what's the point to balance forums at all? Relic should just either see their replays or add them directly and ask what the top players want and think it would be balanced for them.

Balancing the game around it's top players while leaving the majority down in the mud, struggling to reach the top players' skill level makes absolutely no sense, some people just want to go home and and do a chilling match, not have an intense hardcore competitive match because some people just don't have the time to learn about every stat and every unit and how to use them, they just wanna play.

Jump back to quoted post30 Jan 2017, 05:52 AMtightrope

As people have stated they are supposed to be less effective in the late game due to the strong start they give you. Changing that means there is no drawback at all, which isn't usually how tactical decisions are supposed to go in strategy games.

Jump back to quoted post31 Jan 2017, 09:59 AMle_saucisson_masque

+1

Listening to low level players is what made relic do poor balance.

At least, it seems with the winter balance patch that they finally understood that.

There is a reason why no one care, when speaking about balance, at low and medium level player.
This reason is that they obviously don t know enough of the game (else they would be better).

This is also the reason why every guy shoud put his playercard in signature before they start speaking but that s only my opinion.