Things, which should be checked

Call ins should have a requisition time. the timer is like some active abilities e.g. rapid conscription. Only when the timer runs out the unit then appear. 10-30 secs should be fine with better units having more requisition time. Then you can probably put t3485 back on to the call in window.

For infiltration units if the building is being occupied at the end of the timer it will spawn at base like other call in infantry units does. So if someone really didn't want to lose the unit in retreat they could escort it by filling up the buildings in the path of retreat even if say AI partisans are like 3 sec to call in

The question for Relic would otherwise be "why change this -now- and lose focus, when we can get more feedback and change it at a later patch?". Or, otherwise; why should this issue be the one that's prioritised over the others.

Sheesh now we know why balance issues took months or even years to resolve. Relic's attitude toward balance is "Why change it, when we could just do nothing?

Yup. Obvious issues.

Next patch, hopefully.

How about fixing up pathing, seems like people forgot bout this? It can still be atrociously bad at times and using the reverse key doesn't always solve the problem.

How about fixing up pathing, seems like people forgot bout this? It can still be atrociously bad at times and using the reverse key doesn't always solve the problem.

In a way, I really hope that isn't fixable by the mod team.

Sheesh now we know why balance issues took months or even years to resolve. Relic's attitude toward balance is "Why change it, when we could just do nothing?

The process might appear absurd at first glimpse, but, actually, it does make a lot of sense.

If we try to fix everything at once, there's no amount of WBP testing we will be able to pull off before we can be sure that we haven't messed everything up.

Also, changing everything at once means that people will have to learn the entire game, pretty much. For some people this might lead to quitting the game.

Thus, it makes sense to have an iterative process that you prioritise self-contained changes to high-priority things. Once this is fixed, you deploy, people play the game and you get feedback to fix the next batch of issues. That way you don't overcompensate for perceived issues. For instance if Axis UP and Allies OP and you buff Axis late-game while nerfing Allies early game too much at the same time might not lead to balance.

The process makes sense, as long as patches aren't more than a few months away, apart.

But I'm pretty sure you and most of people thinks that, OKW incendiary nades are fine even if they costs almost twice as molos. And no, you are not taking them for free. Cost of getting T2 + molo is almost the same as getting the truck and battle group headquarter. Please consider it before you post something about balance, especially if OP is more experienced Kappa

Molotov is trash man, poor range, long animation. All these things make molotov useless. Folks grenade is far more better than molotov even if its cheaper.
So make molotov great again

Incendiary grenades is better that is true but it is one of the few tools OKW have vs garrison...

Imo anti garrison weapons like that should not be available to mainline infantry. It should be reserved for specialized units, and be replaced by normal grenades for the mainline infantry...

Frost at is again

also since relic broke the modding system with recent patch when will we see patch notes 1.5 that was promised a week ago ?

Thus, it makes sense to have an iterative process that you prioritise self-contained changes to high-priority things. Once this is fixed, you deploy, people play the game and you get feedback to fix the next batch of issues.

The problem is, that many things are not self-contained. Armoured vehicles for example are out of scope for this patch, but meanwhile infantry isn't.
Surprise: Ostheer early game problems are (to a degree, not the way it is now) meant to exist, because their vehicles were originally supposed to be better. One of those two things got patched out over time while the other wasn't, and suddenly a host of problems appear - and those problems are not isolated, self-contained in the fashion you are making them out to be.

Your idea might work, if it were applied horizontally instead of vertically: Take the problems you deem most important, look for their connections, fix them, and see what happens. By limiting what can be touched and what cannot (which I know is Relic's thing, not yours) it becomes impossible to recreate these connections later on without either keeping the game unbalanced in the meantime (which it looks like the WBP is doing, and which is incredibly frustrating for those who want to play the game while this happens, i.e. when the WBP goes live), or without going back to the original patch later on and reverse some of it (which means a massive amount of additional work in the long run).

The question for Relic would otherwise be "why change this -now- and lose focus, when we can get more feedback and change it at a later patch?"

I absolutely appreciate the time and effort you guys put in the WBP for Relic and the following is not aimed at you.

However if Relic themselves don't realise they don't have that much time to balance the game that is more and more often referred to as "dead", the February patch or any other similar patch could be for nothing.

vCoH had a large and healthy community for full seven years before the release of CoH2. If this game was designed as a worthy successor it needs just as much attention from the devs. Otherwise it just looks like the already thinned out community will grow even smaller when many people fancying RTS titles switch to DoW3/other games when they release.

vCoH had a large and healthy community for full seven years before the release of CoH2. If this game was designed as a worthy successor it needs just as much attention from the devs. Otherwise it just looks like the already thinned out community will grow even smaller when many people fancying RTS titles switch to DoW3/other games when they release.

The first game lived as long as it did due the plethora of mods (which in turn existed because the game was more open). And I mean real mods, not the pitiful thing that allows for slightly different units and the mess of an application that Relic calls a map editor...

Of course Relic has promised us proper mod support and better tools for a long time now. It will probably be really soon. You can count on Osttr Relic! No really, you can! ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

How about fixing up pathing, seems like people forgot bout this? It can still be atrociously bad at times and using the reverse key doesn't always solve the problem.

+1.

And that shit where tanks stop, then drive backwards or forwards, depending on destination, then resumes course for no apparent or obvious reason. I lost count how often i would scream at a tank to fucking move when it stops for some invisible object on a road....

I agree with everything here, including the mark target on the panther command tank - cheesy, uninteresting mechanic. I'd want the soviet mark target removed as well. Command panther would need to a buff to compensate, right now it misses a lot of its shots and fires very slow, making the high cost unjustified without this broken ability. Could maybe add armor piercing shell ability?

I'd also say tie all call-in medium/heavies to Tier 4, I hate the tech skipping but am forced into it at the moment to counter Pershing / KV-8 / IS-2 / KV-1 etc.

+1.

And that shit where tanks stop, then drive backwards or forwards, depending on destination, then resumes course for no apparent or obvious reason. I lost count how often i would scream at a tank to fucking move when it stops for some invisible object on a road....

Yeah this thing makes me rage. I don't remember it always being this way either.

Grens need their hth increased to 29%, they just can't withstand lategame firefights. This lil hth ncrease would made them more viable in late game.