There will be any kind of tunedown for the super powerfull Cromwell and Comets.?
For their price they have:
1- high speed.
2- high acceletarion.
3- high rotation.
4- easy to crush inf.
5- very good damage against inf.
6- good damage against tanks.
7- very good penetration (specially Comet).
8- low fuel cost.
9- low tech to get it (specially Cromwell). They arrive too soon.
10- excellent accuracy on the move.
I dont know. Something is very wrong with these tanks compared to their counterparts: P4 and P5. They are really good at killing Inf and tanks aswell.
Cromwell and Comet in the WBP
15 Dec 2016, 17:28 PM
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15 Dec 2016, 18:25 PM
#2
Posts: 2066
Comet doesn´t really arrive too soon. The fact that its white phosphorus has insane range and can kill whilst being fired on the move is just lol.
The rest I tend to agree with. Especially the cromwell is a pain in the ass in a 1v1. That thing comes out way faster than a PIV from either Ostheer or OKW, yet it outperforms them both whilst being cheaper. Logic
The rest I tend to agree with. Especially the cromwell is a pain in the ass in a 1v1. That thing comes out way faster than a PIV from either Ostheer or OKW, yet it outperforms them both whilst being cheaper. Logic
Kappa
15 Dec 2016, 18:27 PM
#3
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Relic will never touch their precious faction and they ruin balance ages
15 Dec 2016, 18:59 PM
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Please read the balance patch notes, or even the balance patch itself. These units are out of scope.
Both of these units need to be balanced and will be, hopefully, in the future. If you want to discuss them please do not insinuate that they need to be addressed in this balance patch.
Both of these units need to be balanced and will be, hopefully, in the future. If you want to discuss them please do not insinuate that they need to be addressed in this balance patch.
15 Dec 2016, 20:57 PM
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Also right now for brits in 1v1 cromwell is their last saving grace because they lack snare, good mid game vehicle (ost have 222, everybody have light tank) and good main line infantry.
Yes, I agree that cromwell and comet need to be touched - cromwell speed and comet white phosphorus but they should be changed also with IS so brits remain playable in 1v1 without being cheesy
Yes, I agree that cromwell and comet need to be touched - cromwell speed and comet white phosphorus but they should be changed also with IS so brits remain playable in 1v1 without being cheesy
15 Dec 2016, 21:02 PM
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Also right now for brits in 1v1 cromwell is their last saving grace because they lack snare, good mid game vehicle (ost have 222, everybody have light tank) and good main line infantry.
Yes, I agree that cromwell and comet need to be touched - cromwell speed and comet white phosphorus but they should be changed also with IS so brits remain playable in 1v1 without being cheesy
It's illusional that brits have no good mainline infantry. Sappers are more than any other faction can dream of in that regard.
15 Dec 2016, 21:19 PM
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When the turn of these vehicles comes I would start with their abilities and upgrades.
Tank commander provides to much for a very low price.
War speed should give different bonuses according to vehicle classification similar to blitz (lower bonuses for tiger and panther)and should not be able to used on allied player's vehicles.
WP should have less range
Tank commander provides to much for a very low price.
War speed should give different bonuses according to vehicle classification similar to blitz (lower bonuses for tiger and panther)and should not be able to used on allied player's vehicles.
WP should have less range
15 Dec 2016, 22:20 PM
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...And medium tanks is the best balance of the game
edit: panther OKW 200FU
15 Dec 2016, 22:26 PM
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...And medium tanks is the best balance of the game
Panther is not a tank it is hybrid between a tank and TD...comparing with Comet is misleading.
Thinks look even worse for the Wer Panther.
In addition compare the mg upgrade vs the commander upgrade, war speed vs blitzkrieg, add smoke and WP smoke and grenade and Comet looks allot better...
Finally add to that the effectiveness of the doctrinal M36/firefly vs the Panther at range 60 and now Panther is lagging behind the Comet...
15 Dec 2016, 22:28 PM
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Panther is not a tank it is hybrid between a tank and TD...comparing with Comet is misleading.
Thinks look even worse for the Wer Panther.
In addition compare the mg upgrade vs the commander upgrade, war speed vs blitzkrieg, add smoke and WP smoke and grenade and Comet looks allot better...
Finally add to that the effectiveness of the doctrinal M36/firefly vs the Panther at range 60 and now Panther is lagging behind the Comet...
According to relic panther its counterpart of the comet
15 Dec 2016, 22:42 PM
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According to relic panther its counterpart of the comet
Not really....Panther use a TD's gun not a main battle tank's gun.
Relic:
"Panther
The Panther provides the perfect combination of mobility and anti-tank capacity, making it the ideal counter to heavy armor. Its cutting edge suspension enables it to easily traverse even the roughest of terrain, enabling it to execute flanking maneuvers on unsuspecting armor. "
"Description:
Armed with a powerful 77mm High Velocity gun, the Comet Tank is a hard hitting British cruise effective against all targets."
15 Dec 2016, 22:46 PM
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Posts: 311
...And medium tanks is the best balance of the game
edit: panther OKW 200FU
You "forget" to add the damage against infantry in that table.
Comet also can wipe inf aswell really quick.
Comet should be like the Panther: only good against other tanks. Period. For killing inf you have cromwells, centaurs, etc.
15 Dec 2016, 22:48 PM
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Posts: 311
Please read the balance patch notes, or even the balance patch itself. These units are out of scope.
Both of these units need to be balanced and will be, hopefully, in the future. If you want to discuss them please do not insinuate that they need to be addressed in this balance patch.
Ok. Sorry. I searched something about cromweel or comet in the WBP 1.0 , 1.1 and 1.2 notes, but did not find anything.
15 Dec 2016, 22:54 PM
#14
Posts: 311
Also right now for brits in 1v1 cromwell is their last saving grace because they lack snare, good mid game vehicle (ost have 222, everybody have light tank) and good main line infantry.
Yes, I agree that cromwell and comet need to be touched - cromwell speed and comet white phosphorus but they should be changed also with IS so brits remain playable in 1v1 without being cheesy
Brits have IS AND Royal Engis squads (too good for being an engy type unit). Two type of excellent squads.
When they became 5men squad, the problem is even worse for the OST.
16 Dec 2016, 01:47 AM
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Posts: 773
You "forget" to add the damage against infantry in that table.
Comet also can wipe inf aswell really quick.
Comet should be like the Panther: only good against other tanks. Period. For killing inf you have cromwells, centaurs, etc.
Sturmtiger should only do AI and not wipe full health tanks through FOW, KT should only damage tanks and not infantry, same for vetted Jag. God forbid allies have 1 decent tank that can do both roles.
16 Dec 2016, 03:35 AM
#16
Posts: 1954
Comets and Panthers are pretty even unless it is a Command Panther. Considering that they cost about the same, it doesn't seem that out of balance considering that the Panther has better AT, and the Comet better AI. Also, the penetration of nearly everything that is shooting at the Panther is a lot less than what shoots at the Comet, giving the Panther more survivability overall.
The Cromwell is ridiculously good at crush, but it's rare that I catch good players with it. IMO, the two bigger problems are that the Raketen seems to take an eon to fire, sometimes to the point of having a vehicle cross the arc of fire without it firing, and that the OST P4 is badly overpriced for what it is. It shouldn't cost more than 110 fuel. (However, I think the OKW P4 is fine. It's one of my favorites. PB 74 kills)
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The Cromwell is ridiculously good at crush, but it's rare that I catch good players with it. IMO, the two bigger problems are that the Raketen seems to take an eon to fire, sometimes to the point of having a vehicle cross the arc of fire without it firing, and that the OST P4 is badly overpriced for what it is. It shouldn't cost more than 110 fuel. (However, I think the OKW P4 is fine. It's one of my favorites. PB 74 kills)
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16 Dec 2016, 06:05 AM
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Sigh. Yet another thread made by someone who didn't properly read. Yes, Cromwell and Comet are OP, we know.
Just please bare in mind that since this patch was under official direction of Relic we were very limited and only able go make changes along the specific scopes of Light Tanks/Vehicles, Squad Formations & Clumping, USF Mortar, Penals & Guards, and Wehrmacht Infantry Scaling. So please leave feedback to specifically those changes and not about all the other priority issues that need changing too.
Yes there's so many more issues that need fixing, and this patch will have some consequences of its own, but it's certainly a huge step forward. If this patch goes well as all is smooth, we might be able to do more of these down the line.
16 Dec 2016, 06:11 AM
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Why not just outright kill the Brits as an Army? If it wasn't for their tanks a Brit player will always be reduced to just camping.
Of course that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be balance, but not really overnerfed.
Of course that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be balance, but not really overnerfed.
16 Dec 2016, 08:31 AM
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Posts: 2243
Not only the Comet is the Problem..one of the main problem is the no brainer Commander upgrade which cost only 25 ammo and bring so much advantage to this tank...
its unbeliebavble how cheap this big upgrade is...it should cost 150+ ammo for thois what u get
(remember: only that a ht get a flamer..it cost 120 ammo!!! even a MG on a german Tank cost 50 ammo!)
its unbeliebavble how cheap this big upgrade is...it should cost 150+ ammo for thois what u get
(remember: only that a ht get a flamer..it cost 120 ammo!!! even a MG on a german Tank cost 50 ammo!)
16 Dec 2016, 09:33 AM
#20
Posts: 207
According to relic panther its counterpart of the comet
You would be an utter moron to believe that, these two tanks are so far apart.
Comet is a OP all rounder atm with great armour, mobile, superb anti-tank and anti-inf capabilities, phosphorus smoke, warp speed. Needs a nerf or price increase.
Panther on the other hand is an UP TD that has, good armour, mobile, blitz, a hilariously slow ROF, negligible anti-inf capabilities, and currently has an extortionate cost for what you get
Apples and rotten squashed oranges.....
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