M42 change ideas - Winter Patch 1.2 / 1.3 / 1.4

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2016, 14:59 PMMr.Smith

You probably wouldn't even bother destroying them, so that your enemy can waste more of their manpower to recrew them. M-42 shouldn't be such a hopeless unit.

Thus, if you want to help making M-42 decent, open up a new brainstorming thread and get the community to contribute. Since M-42 should be weaker vs heavier tanks, at least it should compensate with utility.
- Avoid putting cheesy utility, like stun
- Designs without klingon cloaking fields are greatly appreciated

I'll start by mentioning that damage should go up to 100 (maybe even 135) to allow the gun to be a specialist light-vehicle killer, even if its penetration remains crappy.

Even if M-42 won't make it to T1, we could reuse the ideas for a potential commander rework in the future.

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2016, 17:50 PM__deleted__

Its mobile tier that give you good AI and early game pressure

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2016, 17:50 PM__deleted__

Can we actually try new penals first and then start discussing around lil at gun ?

Tier1 was never meant to have AT gun. Its mobile tier that give you good AI and early game pressure so you can field tanks on your own as counters to enemy tanks.

It it hight risk high rewards tier. I think mobile AT in terms of PTRS is best thing it can get

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2016, 17:53 PMTheMachine

Wrong. Conspam gives far better early game pressure than T1 and Penals. Only thing that I can see giving good early pressure is Conspam + quick m3 Clown car.

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2016, 17:56 PMferwiner

Sadly what "high risk high reward tier" means is just that:
- it can only be ballanced in one game mode
- it must consist at least one imballanced unit
- it is never going to be used competitivly (mind word risk)
- players are ment to use the other tier usually but this if they "risk" so most of the times we will still see maxim spam. I would like to see about equal amount of both openings.

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2016, 18:02 PM__deleted__

False, OKW mechanized is high risk high reward tier and I see it regulary in all gamemodes
False, mechanized units are balanced toward allied counterparts
False, actually high risk high reward units are played in top enviroment because you can rid most of high risk by good play (sniper is example of this)
True, but only for players that don´t like to risk that much and rather will give game into opponents hands

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2016, 17:50 PM__deleted__

Can we actually try new penals first and then start discussing around lil at gun ?

Tier1 was never meant to have AT gun. Its mobile tier that give you good AI and early game pressure so you can field tanks on your own as counters to enemy tanks.

It it hight risk high rewards tier. I think mobile AT in terms of PTRS is best thing it can get

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2016, 18:18 PMzerocoh

too bad we are forced to make T3 which is useless if the axis player is doing the classical stalling tactic.

Jump back to quoted post13 Dec 2016, 18:29 PM__deleted__

You can break him at time you hit T3 if you play your tier1 card properly, if he digs in without getting ligh vehicle, you ca crush him easily and then get tier3 vehicle to end game. Or if he digs in smaller part of map you can go for fast tier4 and seal the deal.