Relic Winter Balance Preview v1.1 Update

Jump back to quoted post4 Dec 2016, 18:28 PM__deleted__

But engine damage is nothing if you can escape. Hovewer if you make more mistakes in row you should be punished

1st is getting snared
2nd is lacking any support aroun vehicle to protect it
3rd being near AT gun without knowing it or letting enemy get near your tank with infantry that have some kind of AT.


Only problem that can happen is IS with snare and PIAT. I think once they get snare, they should get locked piats

Jump back to quoted post4 Dec 2016, 18:32 PMMr.Smith

IS with PIATs have the steep reload penalty (+40%). We can easily offset the reload cycle (aim, fire, reload) to reload. Thus, Infantry Sections can suffer the maximum amount of penalty.

With the Vet3 Scoped rifle "bonus" Tommies are additionally even more unreliable than that. Though the Scoped Rifle thing will be the first thing we will trash if anything changes on Tommies.

Jump back to quoted post4 Dec 2016, 18:02 PM__deleted__

But all relic employees are working on DoW3 ...

Jump back to quoted post4 Dec 2016, 18:35 PMAustralian Magic

Again. I won't belive that no one can spend 5 mins to switch 1 ability for something different.
Let's be serious...

Jump back to quoted post4 Dec 2016, 17:56 PMLatch

They aren't nerfing it though, they are just limiting the vehicles it can go on and killing variety(no more bofors). People will just put an AEC their base if they wanted to. And that's harder to kill than a UC.

Jump back to quoted post4 Dec 2016, 14:35 PMLatch

Banning the UC from command vehicle? I don't like this. Unlike all other command vehicles in the game (from what I know of) applying this ability to a unit makes it fire and move awfully slow, that's why people put it on a UC.

Putting it on a UKF tank would be a huge waste of a tank, OKW can at least still have a front line Panther, OST have a snub P4 that good VS AI and can stand a chance to get out of an engagement. UKF will near HAVE to go AEC to save popcap and costs which is limiting play by removing bofors as an option.

Can't you just increase the cost of the ability and make it cost 50+ fuel? That way you don't limit the entire roster of UKF by using that ability, forcing AEC tech.

That or remove the speed reduction that comes with the ability...

Jump back to quoted post4 Dec 2016, 19:39 PMFrost

It's still something to make choice betwen cancer or bigger cancer so I'm with it. With bren carrier you had no choice. What is more, AEC after all was helpful even in late game so now you have to play more clever than ever

Jump back to quoted post4 Dec 2016, 22:09 PMRappy

Yeah but why pick that doctrine if you have no intention of making a command vehicle? Just for the air strikes?

Jump back to quoted post4 Dec 2016, 22:16 PMinsaneHoshi

The Air strikes are pretty stronk.

Jump back to quoted post4 Dec 2016, 23:37 PMBartonPL

actually, i believe that command vehicle should have some boosts and nerfs on tank itself, i suggest to make:

Jump back to quoted post4 Dec 2016, 09:22 AM__deleted__

So I run few tests about penals.

They were always fighting against grens without cover in range something between mid and long (more long than mid, ussual range where units meet when they run few meters to get cover )

Vet 0 without upgrades

Penals always won against grens without problems - I think its intended and I consider it fine

Vet 0 penals with PTRS grens without upgrades

This was most balanced match where both sides won often only with 1(OST)-2(SOV) members. I don´t know if this was intended that upgrades penals can still fight off grens.


Vet 0 penals PTRS grens lmg

In this match-up grens completely rekt penals, surviving with 1-3 models generaly 2


And now it becomes funny

Vet 3 penals with PTRS vs Vet 3 grens with lmg

This match favours to grens but only by a little. They often won with 1 member, Health from almost none to amost full health. I think this is not intended but it happen. Penals have so high acc bonuses so they PTRSes actually start hitting rather hard.


And vet 3 penals with ptrs vs vet 3 grens without lmg

Grens had no chance


Conclusions. PTRS itself may be fine, but at vet3 it get huge acc bonus resulting into mini sniper rifle. Also having AT weapons will make penals vet like crazy because they will damage highly valuable targets like luchs puma or other light/medium tanks.

How to fix it: Vet3 bonus shouldn´t apply to PTRS or maybe only increasing its acuraccy slightly.


Please mod team, be aware of PTRS penals blobs because they get crazy once hit vet3 and with AT weapons they hit vet3 faster than before

Jump back to quoted post4 Dec 2016, 23:45 PMVipper

It does....
Aura to others units:
-30% Received Accuracy, +35% accuracy, -30% reload, -30% cool-down, -25% commander ability recharge time.
Penalties to commanding vehicle: -50% speed, +100% reload, +100% cool-down, -50% accuracy, +100% received accuracy.
The speed penalty is actually the thing that breaks although a Churchill with a max of Speed 2 is a rather funny thing to watch...

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2016, 03:02 AMMistah_S

Hold the fkn phone... they intend on giving penals AT, along with their sherminator capabilities?
Pls dont do this

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2016, 05:29 AMBartonPL

that's why i said "on tank itself" just so yo know, historical measures? and aalso i think that aura is too strong, the P4 command tank has like -15% damage taken?that's so low

Jump back to quoted post5 Dec 2016, 05:45 AM__deleted__

You want another 3 months of allied dominance . Sorry i really dont know if its irony or serious post. You cant believe anyrhing on .org

Jump back to quoted post4 Dec 2016, 18:32 PMMr.Smith

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