bye that logic i dont see why at gun should counter tank
Excatly. Do you expect single 320MP unit to counter 720MP 280F unit? I don't.
CoH2 is not paper-rock-scissors game. In CoH2 paper and win agasint scissors if you have enough skills.
Grenadier 4-man Squad: A thing of the past.
12 Sep 2016, 17:27 PM
#121
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Excatly. Do you expect single 320MP unit to counter 720MP 280F unit? I don't.
CoH2 is not paper-rock-scissors game. In CoH2 paper and win agasint scissors if you have enough skills.
12 Sep 2016, 18:37 PM
#122
Posts: 4474
yea but An at gun can still force tiger to back
Excatly. Do you expect single 320MP unit to counter 720MP 280F unit? I don't.
CoH2 is not paper-rock-scissors game. In CoH2 paper and win agasint scissors if you have enough skills.
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12 Sep 2016, 18:58 PM
#123
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ModHat: this thread requires exterminatus, let's give it 1 more chance (if i have to be strict there's like 40 posts which had to be cleanse due to off/flame/trolling).
If you don't agree with something, discuss the point, not the person. /Modhat
A more realistic approach would be: do you expect a single AT gun without support to stop 3 T70/Luch/222/Aec.
Can we go back to grenadiers?
If you don't agree with something, discuss the point, not the person. /Modhat
yea but An at gun can still force tiger to back
A more realistic approach would be: do you expect a single AT gun without support to stop 3 T70/Luch/222/Aec.
Can we go back to grenadiers?
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And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
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12 Sep 2016, 19:18 PM
#124
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I'm going to miss katitof's posts...
On topic: Is there anything that a five-man squad would change that a change in spacing / USF mortars / slight HP buff wouldn't fix?
On topic: Is there anything that a five-man squad would change that a change in spacing / USF mortars / slight HP buff wouldn't fix?
12 Sep 2016, 21:03 PM
#125
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grenadiers it's not the problem they are cheap and effective but sad that the accurate mortar fire from usf its too dam effective to wipe squads i prefer a low health it all my units intact !
but i love the usf mortar and i think its fine just a weird bug on the oster mortar not counter the usf mortar !!
but i love the usf mortar and i think its fine just a weird bug on the oster mortar not counter the usf mortar !!
12 Sep 2016, 22:25 PM
#126
Posts: 1072
I'm going to miss katitof's posts...
On topic: Is there anything that a five-man squad would change that a change in spacing / USF mortars / slight HP buff wouldn't fix?
Recrewing weapon teams.
Edit: and their resilience to enemy snipers
12 Sep 2016, 22:38 PM
#127
Posts: 4474
I'm going to miss katitof's posts...he was a good man on topic I think reducing recived accuracy,fixing spacing ,limiting lmg will make the game better overall
On topic: Is there anything that a five-man squad would change that a change in spacing / USF mortars / slight HP buff wouldn't fix?
katitof-2018
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13 Sep 2016, 01:13 AM
#128
Posts: 179
he was a good man on topic I think reducing recived accuracy,fixing spacing ,limiting lmg will make the game better overall
Katitiof was a true pacifist he would never hurt a fly ;(
Of the entire forums, he was the most human
Anyways, I agree with what you say, spacing and limiting lmgs is the way to go
if you cant limit lmgs, a health buff of 80 to 82 or around that number would also work.
13 Sep 2016, 01:23 AM
#129
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Squad spread mirrored to tommies, LMGs limit to 1, there, infantry engagements fixed and balanced without crippling any faction in the process with silly suggestions that don't have a chance to appear outside of mods.
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13 Sep 2016, 02:27 AM
#130
Posts: 175
Squad spread mirrored to tommies, LMGs limit to 1, there, infantry engagements fixed and balanced without crippling any faction in the process with silly suggestions that don't have a chance to appear outside of mods.
sounds alright to me.
13 Sep 2016, 02:35 AM
#131
Posts: 401
Squad spread mirrored to tommies, LMGs limit to 1, there, infantry engagements fixed and balanced without crippling any faction in the process with silly suggestions that don't have a chance to appear outside of mods.
Man, I thought Katiof took your account for a second there...
Anyways, even though i'm very much like the idea of a 5th-man for the Grenadiers, I think it would be quite a big change. I mean, since the past till now, how many big changes that created more problems than its suppose to fix? Like all of them? Taking big changes by far haven't bought many good things at the end of the day, so I think it's high time to stop that and start looking for another way to fix stuffs.
Also, while we are at it, I think indirect-fire weaponry should get a look at, too. I mean, one of the reason Grenadiers, in particurlar, and Axis, in general, feel so weak at the moment is due to a more powerful Allies indirect-fire weapons. They have way more options non-doctrinally and many of them just way too good compared to the Axis counterparts. I think they need a look at, maybe some small tweaking from time to time, perhap (Fix this, nerf that, buff there, whatever, just check the problems out as a whole before making changes)
13 Sep 2016, 04:34 AM
#132
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Squad spread mirrored to tommies, LMGs limit to 1, there, infantry engagements fixed and balanced without crippling any faction in the process with silly suggestions that don't have a chance to appear outside of mods.
RIP 1919s, nobody would pick them over 2 BARs anymore, and now Brits will be trying to steal a MG42 from Grens than buy their Brens... you gotta compensate those weapons if you want to make them single slot purchases!
13 Sep 2016, 06:29 AM
#133
Posts: 401
RIP 1919s, nobody would pick them over 2 BARs anymore, and now Brits will be trying to steal a MG42 from Grens than buy their Brens... you gotta compensate those weapons if you want to make them single slot purchases!
Do Bar counts as LMG in game?
Also, LMG 42 is strong but it's use by a 4-man squad. On the other hand, Bren and M1919 are used by 5-man squads with better RA (Rifleman and upgraded Tommy) so they should be consider weaker to compensate for the squad's better survivability. I think that would work, but again, nothing is solid when it comes to CoH2 Balance.
13 Sep 2016, 07:03 AM
#134
Posts: 1930
Do Bar counts as LMG in game?
no
and the BAR are alot less powerful than the lmg42. 60 munitions are way too expensive for a single, but the USF (over)compensate by having the terminator veterancy.
13 Sep 2016, 09:12 AM
#135
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????? What it lose some dps at long range but can fire on the move and has much better mid and close dps
no
and the BAR are alot less powerful than the lmg42. 60 munitions are way too expensive for a single, but the USF (over)compensate by having the terminator veterancy.
katitof-2018
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13 Sep 2016, 10:02 AM
#136
Posts: 1930
????? What it lose some dps at long range but can fire on the move and has much better mid and close dps
double m1919a6/bren/lmg42 are way more scary than double bar. You rarely see double lmg42, but the m1919a6 are suppose to have near identical dps to the lmg42.
double lmg can easily vaporize infantry at long range. It's part of what make lmg blob so frightening.
13 Sep 2016, 14:26 PM
#137
Posts: 175
Riflemen, Infantry Sections, Penals, Grenadiers and Volks imo should all have their upgrades take up one weapon slot. Then leave the remaining weapon slot only to pick up dropped weapons, not weapons from racks.
13 Sep 2016, 15:39 PM
#138
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I think there needs to be a new thread for this double weapon discussion.
13 Sep 2016, 15:56 PM
#139
Posts: 175
I think there needs to be a new thread for this double weapon discussion.
There is quite some coverage here already: https://www.coh2.org/topic/56269/infantry-rebalance-needed
I don't want to open more threads because there are already so many duplicates on this or similar. Also not transparent if and how these forum entries are ever evaluated by decision makers.
13 Sep 2016, 16:16 PM
#140
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There is quite some coverage here already: https://www.coh2.org/topic/56269/infantry-rebalance-needed
I don't want to open more threads because there are already so many duplicates on this or similar. Also not transparent if and how these forum entries are ever evaluated by decision makers.
I understand where you are coming from, but wasn't there a whole discussion before about 4 man squads as well? Wouldn't it be better to separate these topics? I think we might be near a consensus on this topic, and it would be a shame if we dispel that consensus by spinning the topic in an entirely different direction.
Since we are already having the discussion regardless of the oversight of decision makers anyway, I think we might as well be as organized as possible in our debates.
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