Why schreck still cost 90 ammo?

Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2016, 12:04 PMmortiferum

Obers are 400 mp, I really dont see how people can use such an expensive squad for tank hunting/ AT gun screening.

Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2016, 05:16 AMJackas4life

That moment when his "tale" isn't actually bull shit.

So don't call others out and saying they're bullshitting or lying when you don't know actually know yourself.

Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2016, 13:10 PMTheMachine

That's exactly another problem. 400mp is far too much. 360mp would be reasonable since they have better received accuracy bonuses than PGren's.

This is how I have changed Obersoldaten in my mod that I've been working on.

"Obersoldaten
Moved from Panzer Headquarters to Battlegroup HQ
Can be equipped with double Panzer Shreks for 120 Munitions. Incompatible with other upgrades
Manpower cost decreased from 400mp to 360.
Kar98k Rifle accuracy reduced by 10%
Reinforcement time reduced from 12.5 to 9.5
MG34 upgrade replaced with Infrared STG’s. Requires Panzer Headquarters
IR STG’s now cost 90munitions
Received accuracy nerfed from 0.7 to 0.8
This is to balance out the squads price reduction and fact they come earlier
IR STG’s cover ignore bonus removed
"

Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2016, 14:32 PMZyllen

But was the role of the volks then?

Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2016, 12:50 PMHighfiveeeee

Blizzards still exist in custom games but I doubt that more than a handful of people plays with blizzards enabled.
Relic just doesn't remove them completely because of their pride. Coldtech was one of the most praised features before the game's release and then nobody liked it.

Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2016, 12:50 PMHighfiveeeee

Relic just doesn't remove them completely because of their pride.

Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2016, 15:00 PMImmoraliste

Give SP double shreks or cheaper shreks and you can guarantee that games for 90% of the player base will descend to shrekblobs.

Handheld guided-missile AT that has higher pen and damage than medium tanks, and pens almost every allied vehicle every shot. Can't we just have adequate AT guns for every faction?

Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2016, 14:31 PMZyllen

Im from beta and i cannot remember your so called balance issue. The only light vehicles that existed was the m3 and nothing else because of the callin meta. you didn't use shreks to counter the m3 especially since the m3 was usually the rather common sniper+m3 combo and could nail your shrek squad with simple kiting.

i thought that the double shrek upgrade was added for easy use.

Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2016, 18:30 PMferwiner

You also cant disagree with the fact that 3stgs + shreck is an absolute anti-everything doom machine and 2shrecks + 2stgs is unable to fight infantry at all. Especially as shrecks change models when they die, turning your AI off first.

Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2016, 19:21 PMDangerous-Cloth

Like bar with zook combo on riflemen with the ability to smoke and frag nade?

Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2016, 21:01 PMOutsider_Sidaroth

USF forces are tagged as a versatile and that loadout gimps them hard, you want 2 Bazookas or none, specially not on your Rifles that will need their BARs to fight infantry later on.

Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2016, 19:21 PMDangerous-Cloth

Like bar with zook combo on riflemen with the ability to smoke and frag nade?

Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2016, 15:41 PMWilliam Christensen

I made a suggestion not much of a while back that had the same idea of moving Obers to Medic HQ and made them being able to equip double Schrecks: https://www.coh2.org/topic/55881/idea-okw-the-second-ostheer 

However, at the same time, I also suggested giving Volks a long-range AI weapon (for example: LMG 42) so they are more like a excel-at-long-range mainline infantry (quite similar to Ost's Grenadier) while Sturmpioneer being the CQC unit when you need.‎

Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2016, 21:24 PMDangerous-Cloth

So two riflemen squads with double bars, one with double zooks, nice tactical command blobby group to destroy everything.

Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2016, 14:31 PMZyllen

Im from beta and i cannot remember your so called balance issue. The only light vehicles that existed was the m3 and nothing else because of the callin meta. you didn't use shreks to counter the m3 especially since the m3 was usually the rather common sniper+m3 combo and could nail your shrek squad with simple kiting.

i thought that the double shrek upgrade was added for easy use.

Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2016, 18:30 PMferwiner

The fact that you don't remember it doesn't mean it didn't happen. If you don't know why pgrens were changed that way then don't say people who know are wrong.

There is no ease of use increase between buying one shreck when you have 60 muni, then another one when you have 60 muni again and waiting ages to get 120 muni, which was a fortune for ostheer back then. It was a straight nerf and it had its reasoning.

You also cant disagree with the fact that 3stgs + shreck is an absolute anti-everything doom machine and 2shrecks + 2stgs is unable to fight infantry at all. Especially as shrecks change models when they die, turning your AI off first.

Jump back to quoted post2 Sep 2016, 13:10 PMTheMachine

That's exactly another problem. 400mp is far too much. 360mp would be reasonable since they have better received accuracy bonuses than PGren's.

This is how I have changed Obersoldaten in my mod that I've been working on.

"Obersoldaten
Moved from Panzer Headquarters to Battlegroup HQ
Can be equipped with double Panzer Shreks for 120 Munitions. Incompatible with other upgrades
Manpower cost decreased from 400mp to 360.
Kar98k Rifle accuracy reduced by 10%
Reinforcement time reduced from 12.5 to 9.5
MG34 upgrade replaced with Infrared STG’s. Requires Panzer Headquarters
IR STG’s now cost 90munitions
Received accuracy nerfed from 0.7 to 0.8
This is to balance out the squads price reduction and fact they come earlier
IR STG’s cover ignore bonus removed
"