Multiple Panzer Schwerer Problem

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2016, 10:14 AMJespe

That is something more that a popcap or price issue for people not using the AAHt. Seriously by the time it takes to setup it is usually nearly killed by a single mortar.

So, you guys know that they prioritize ground units same as bofors? Meaning that you can bring tank in front of it and it shoots the tank like stupid when the plane(s) shoots/bombards something else.

Still again if OKW upgrade their base structures. Upgrades should be freed in a way that they could have 3 Shwere flaks or 3 Medical trucks or 3 repair trucks depending on what they might fancy.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2016, 17:52 PMzerocoh

A good balanced way would be to make Smoked Flaks unable to shoot at airplanes.

Smoke only stop them from shooting ground targets.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2016, 11:21 AMelchino7

1-Replace flak base bunkers with normal MG bunkers
1.2-Replace Fortifications Flak emplacement with current Flak base bunkers.
1.3-Disable USF inside base extra MG bunkers

2-Rollback the medic changes on the Med HQ. Medics are free but now the Flak HQ requires an unlock.
2.2-Deploying the Flak HQ truck without AA cost 2/3 of it's current cost but only unlocks Obers + JPIV. Upgrading the Flak in order to get the AA capabilities cost 1/3 + current medic cost and unlocks PIV + PV. In order to get KT, Flak HQ needs to be upgraded once.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2016, 17:48 PMferwiner

Setup time doesn't stop it from being succesfully used as AA defence, especially behind the lines. The only reason it is not used in that role is the fact that AA is completely covered by buildings that every player builds anyway.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2016, 05:48 AMJespe

No seriously FlakHT is not build because its plain useless. There are tier-0 counters to it. Only Job it could do is shoot down planes and for that i would never use popcap, MP, fuel or Munitions to MAYBE (rly big maybe) shoot down strafing plane i could just easily dodge.
Yeah there are scout planes... But then again there are flares i cant shoot down those either...

Remove the Schwere HQ altogether make it an Tier-upgrade on the first truck. Buff AA-Ht from useless to equal to USF AA-Ht level. And let the OKW build AA encamplacements equal to bofors.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2016, 17:30 PMferwiner

So you wouldn't buy cheap and effective AA vehicle if you didn't have any other AA and your opponent spammed loiter planes, recon planes or fuel drops? I would even if all it did was the AA.

Btw, no AA in game is effective against strafes, that's exactly why they are so easy to dodge.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2016, 18:02 PMAustralian Magic

Dont even reply to him. He clearly has no idea how huge advantage AA units* give you in late game, especially vs OST with JU-87 loiter.


*Unless it's a Quad which cannot take down planes or it's OST fuel/ammo drop which is immortal

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2016, 18:09 PMferwiner

The quad is just a suppression platform while IS-2 and ISU-152 are real AA units for soviets

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2016, 11:21 AMelchino7

1-Replace flak base bunkers with normal MG bunkers
1.2-Replace Fortifications Flak emplacement with current Flak base bunkers.
1.3-Disable USF inside base extra MG bunkers

2-Rollback the medic changes on the Med HQ. Medics are free but now the Flak HQ requires an unlock.
2.2-Deploying the Flak HQ truck without AA cost 2/3 of it's current cost but only unlocks Obers + JPIV. Upgrading the Flak in order to get the AA capabilities cost 1/3 + current medic cost and unlocks PIV + PV. In order to get KT, Flak HQ needs to be upgraded once.

Jump back to quoted post21 Jul 2016, 18:02 PMAustralian Magic

Dont even reply to him. He clearly has no idea how huge advantage AA units* give you in late game, especially vs OST with JU-87 loiter.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jul 2016, 07:35 AMJespe

+1



Yeah i don't because the aerial things that i would like to shoot down are usually free or unshootable, rest can be dodged...
Seriously how badly can a strike that manifest itself as huge red/yellow circle on the map hit you?

Haven't got hit by loiter after the rear armor chance so it might have changed, but if its advantageous or better that some other docs i think it would have been used more, haven't played against if for ages.

Jump back to quoted post22 Jul 2016, 07:52 AMAustralian Magic

It's much more.