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1 Jul 2016, 21:00 PM
#121
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jump backJump back to quoted post1 Jul 2016, 19:32 PMsinthe


Vet 2 (PzIV) vs vet 2 (T-34/85) the p4 loses


That's f.ing hilarious:D



and utter ballocks!
1 Jul 2016, 21:14 PM
#122
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That's f.ing hilarious:D



and utter ballocks!


Sinthe has shown you a way how to measure that. If you mistrust him, you can go ahead and replicate the experiment yourself.

My expectation:
- Equal-vet T-34/85 will wipe the floor with P4
- Vet3 P4 has decent chances of beating Vet0 T-34/85 (something like 60%-40%)
2 Jul 2016, 00:48 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post29 Jun 2016, 18:00 PMKatitof

Get off acid dude.

P4 got advantage against every single stock med, because chances for allied meds to penetrate it is LOWER then the chance it gets to pen allied meds.

At vet2 it stomps over allied meds and is equal to 34/85.


It has a small edge against all of those tanks EXCEPT the Cromwell.
2 Jul 2016, 01:00 AM
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-T-34/76 struggles with most medium armor
-Cromwell effective against ALL medium armor
-PZ IV struggles with ALL medium armor

Let me guess OP, you got flanked by a cheaper tank and now you are here whining about how every allied faction is OP, and how relic should nerf them!

No other tank gets free armor with veterancy. PZ IV will win a frontal fight with ANY of those allied tanks. You got flanked? Then L2P.

Also PZ IV has very good AI, it is not decent. On par with sherman but has much better AT.

L2P OP.


LOL. My experience tells me the p4 in a 1v1 fight will beat all mediums expect cromwell and 34/85. And the Sherman's AI is way better than p4 AI, only at vet 2 is the p4 AI good.
2 Jul 2016, 01:07 AM
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If anything is going to change it should be moving accuracy, same with OST panther


+1

I cringe when the p4 misses at around mid-close range when on the move. I think the moving accuracy for all tanks should only apply when a tank is at midrange or beyond. The RNG misses at close range is unrewarding.
2 Jul 2016, 10:33 AM
#126
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Sinthe has shown you a way how to measure that. If you mistrust him, you can go ahead and replicate the experiment yourself.

My expectation:
- Equal-vet T-34/85 will wipe the floor with P4
- Vet3 P4 has decent chances of beating Vet0 T-34/85 (something like 60%-40%)



I need stats, where are the stats? I can't find them anymore.

Vet1 doesn't change anything for T-34/85, PzIV gets blitzkrieg which gives it HUUGE advantage.
Of course if you put 2 tanks opposite each other and tell them shoot each other it will not represent real game scenario. That's is why result you get from these tests have to be analysed.
It is hard to show something like blitz affecting the outcome in those static tests you guys do, but trust me it does.

At vet2 the gap gets even bigger because PzIV will have thicker armour, while retaining its mobility. I don't remember exactly what T-34/85 gets. Rate of fire? Accuracy?


2 Jul 2016, 11:02 AM
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I need stats, where are the stats? I can't find them anymore.



https://www.coh2.org/guides/29892/the-company-of-heroes-2-veterancy-guide#1223

T-34/85 Medium Tank
Unlocks the 'Secure Mode' ability
+50% weapon rotation speed, -25% reload
-20% reload, +20% rotation speed, +20% speed, +20% ac/de-celeration
2 Jul 2016, 19:13 PM
#128
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Thank

So at vet2 is rate of fire and turret rotation then. 1 extra shot doesn't really help against extra armour, does it?


Frankly this comparison is kind of pointless as both tanks are pretty similar in price.
2 Jul 2016, 21:19 PM
#129
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T34/85 is better than Pz4 but Pz4 has higher chances to win agasint T34/85 than T34/76 has against PzIV.

Talking about OST vet 0 Pz4 becasue once vet 2 or OKW...


Now compare the fuel and mp cost of those tanks ;P

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