Any reason for it?

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2016, 18:30 PMFrost

Rekt. How he can know that if he doesn't even play this game? Kappa

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2016, 18:50 PMCrumbum

Also Cromwell is underpriced for its performance (regarded by most as the best medium in game).

I don't know if the stats used here are for the okw p4 or the ost one, but the ost p4 rarely bounces crap if they don't have skirts, and the pen is mediocre as hell.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2016, 18:40 PMBudwise

Playing numbers is fun huh.

P4 is shit for the fuel cost and the OKW one even worse. Why no T34/85 in the numbers? And for the fuel cost the T34/76 is still just as good an all around tank as a P4 and at 80 fuel its a bargain.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2016, 19:00 PMRedT3rror

Don't see why the cromwell is "undepriced". It's terrible against infantry and mostly a tank for swarming other bigger tanks.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2016, 18:33 PMKatitof

Well, seeing some of your posts recently, I'd say you aspire to top me and you're on a good direction to do that.

But...



For simplicity, I'll use the mid range penetration(as this is the range where most shoot outs happen unless one jumped on others rear), which is:

T34: 100
Cromwell: 120
Sherman: 120
P4: 110

Now, on to armor:

T34: 150
Cromwell: 160
Sherman: 160
P4: 180

Reload:

T34: 6,1
Cromwell: 5,9
Sherman: 5,9
P4: 5,6

I don't think I even need to do math for T34, because its obvious its at disadvantage here, unless it attacks first and gets on rear armor, but for the sake of discussion, I'll include it:

P4 vs T34

T34 have 55% to pen and needs on average 9 shots to kill P4.
P4 have 73% chance to pen and on average needs 5 shots to kill T34.

Difference is rather obvious who is the regular winner here and by what margin.

Now:

P4 vs Cromwell

Cromwell have 66% to pen and needs on average 6 shots, average TTK being 29,5 seconds.
P4 have almost 69% to pen and needs on average 6 shots as well, except it fires slightly faster, needing only 28 secs to kill cromwell.

While its not really crushing, P4 have advantage here.

Same numbers apply for sherman.

Accuracy of the guns is the same, BUT sherman got slightly bigger target size so its slightly easier to hit, tipping RNG scales in the P4 favor another bit more.

Conclusion:

Ost P4 have the advantage over every single allied stock, as I've said(which to you is delusional).
vs T34 there is no contest, winner is clear.
vs cromwell and sherman, the RNG is involved, but the odds still favor P4(slightly more vs sherman if we include accuracy and target size), just as I've said.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2016, 18:42 PMTheSleep3r

Stale meme

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2016, 19:26 PMJohnSmith

Has this thread turned into a katitof hate thread because he's was the only one to actually bother using game stats?

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2016, 19:42 PMJohnSmith

Well, I haven't seen anything that uses stats to denote your point. Feel free to do so.

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2016, 19:45 PMStug life

http://www.stat.coh2.hu/squad.php?filename=panzer_iv_squad_mp
http://www.stat.coh2.hu/squad.php?filename=cromwell_mk4_75mm_squad_mp
Take your time bro(if you want you can look at tech cost too)

Jump back to quoted post29 Jun 2016, 18:36 PMKatitof

Good that you've realized that its not stats that are bad, but you yourself.
Glad I could help to bring the real issue, so you can work on it