[May Patch] Remove the self spotting ability from the SU85
13 May 2016, 15:38 PM
#1
Posts: 182
Permanently BannedI think that is a given. This is beyond broken. OST T3 is dead already and with the recent buffs to this unit their T4 is going to have an extremely hard time as well. Increased sight range for a glass cannon such as Jackson makes sense but for a sloped TD like this? Nah.
usf
ostheer
13 May 2016, 15:50 PM
#2
Posts: 1355
I am not a top player but i think T4 is suppose to counter T3 units.
And focus sight has its drawbacks, the SU85 is slower then a grandpa with a walking support:
> SU85
And focus sight has its drawbacks, the SU85 is slower then a grandpa with a walking support:
> SU85
13 May 2016, 15:51 PM
#3
Posts: 513
mods reban this guy pls, thanks xxx
13 May 2016, 15:53 PM
#4
Posts: 182
Permanently Banned
I am not a top player but i think T4 is suppose to counter T3 units.It does counter most mediums with ease, only having minor troubles against the KT/JT
And focus sight has its drawbacks, the SU85 is slower then a grandpa with a walking support:
mods reban this guy pls, thanks xxxOr maybe you should lighten up and be more tolerant?
usfostheer
13 May 2016, 16:02 PM
#5
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Have you even tried using the SU-85 in May Preview mod? If anything the new Vet3 SU-85 will be even worse than the current Vet0 SU-85 vs T3 units (penetration veterancy doesn't mean jack if you can already always penetrate).
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13 May 2016, 16:04 PM
#6
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Let me fix your title: Remove the self spotting ability from Ostheer.
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13 May 2016, 16:10 PM
#7
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IF you think something is broken, it would help by providing replays to back up your claims.
My controls weren't working
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And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
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And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
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13 May 2016, 16:19 PM
#8
Posts: 175
..only having minor troubles against the KT/JT
Sorry for picking out part of your post to quote, but.. It gets utterly destroyed by JT. When JT enters the field, SU-85 is completely useless. Probably the soviet players fault tho, since he should've noticed the PF and not fielded any SU-85's at all.
For the rest, +1 to Mr.Smith
13 May 2016, 16:35 PM
#9
Posts: 677
I think you have misunderstood original post, although it poorly written and it is understandable.
If I understand correctly OP say that Wer T3 does not not work against Soviets. With changes to Su-85 T4 will work either.
I must say that I see some valid point in this. Su-85 not only will counter Tiger but will also counter Panther and totally shut down the "new" brumbar.
The Panther will be out ranged and have less sight. In addition attempting a flanking maneuver with a Panther to kill a SU-85 puts a a higher value unit at risk to kill lower value unit.
The combination of "trucking" and "focused sight" give the SU-85 the sight a stationary elephant with spotting scopes. If the sight advantage bonus of the Elephant was reduced it makes sense that the same should apply to Su-85.
Trucking is available to other units and it is to be replaced by another ability (faster rotation?)
If I understand correctly OP say that Wer T3 does not not work against Soviets. With changes to Su-85 T4 will work either.
I must say that I see some valid point in this. Su-85 not only will counter Tiger but will also counter Panther and totally shut down the "new" brumbar.
The Panther will be out ranged and have less sight. In addition attempting a flanking maneuver with a Panther to kill a SU-85 puts a a higher value unit at risk to kill lower value unit.
The combination of "trucking" and "focused sight" give the SU-85 the sight a stationary elephant with spotting scopes. If the sight advantage bonus of the Elephant was reduced it makes sense that the same should apply to Su-85.
Trucking is available to other units and it is to be replaced by another ability (faster rotation?)
13 May 2016, 16:37 PM
#10
Posts: 17914 | Subs: 8
Can we ban again this lolcake re-incarnation already?
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
13 May 2016, 16:43 PM
#11
Posts: 273
if u wanna remove self-spotting, then u should start from the OKW. (puma, Jp4, command panther)
13 May 2016, 16:48 PM
#12
Posts: 1890 | Subs: 1
The Jackson buff isn't nearly as scary as you think it is.
Current Jackson has 35 Sight at Vet 0 and a 30% Bonus at Vet 2 = 40.5 Sight
New Jackson has 40 Sight at Vet 0 and + 5 Sight on Vet 2 = 45 Sight
The only thing that changes is that Jackson is slightly better at Vet 0-1 and slightly longer vision at Vet 2.
Mr Smith already eloquently (as always) demonstrated why the SU85 buff has a significant trade-off : although I myself like the change because Soviets need a reliable heavy armor counter. SU85 self spotting is also extremely situational and has its own tradeoffs.
If anything Spotting Scopes on 222s and Brit Command Vehicle FREE RECON! are way more problematic.
Current Jackson has 35 Sight at Vet 0 and a 30% Bonus at Vet 2 = 40.5 Sight
New Jackson has 40 Sight at Vet 0 and + 5 Sight on Vet 2 = 45 Sight
The only thing that changes is that Jackson is slightly better at Vet 0-1 and slightly longer vision at Vet 2.
Mr Smith already eloquently (as always) demonstrated why the SU85 buff has a significant trade-off : although I myself like the change because Soviets need a reliable heavy armor counter. SU85 self spotting is also extremely situational and has its own tradeoffs.
If anything Spotting Scopes on 222s and Brit Command Vehicle FREE RECON! are way more problematic.
13 May 2016, 17:13 PM
#13
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I think the main problem here is that you think Ostheer T3 units are worthless. This pretty much invalidates whatever you were going to say next because it simply shows that you don't really know how the game works.
13 May 2016, 17:13 PM
#14
Posts: 283
New Jackson has 40 Sight at Vet 0 and + 5 Sight on Vet 2 = 40 Sight
Not that I think the Jackson poses any problem, but you should still check your calculation...
13 May 2016, 17:15 PM
#15
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im so sick of this guy and his threads
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13 May 2016, 17:17 PM
#16
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Ok now whilst bashing on the poster may please you may I remind you it is not relevant. I will be deleting further requests for the poster to be banned or to "eff off".
@OP if you want help post in strategy section, replays of your struggles would also be nice.
@OP if you want help post in strategy section, replays of your struggles would also be nice.
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13 May 2016, 17:41 PM
#17
Posts: 270 | Subs: 1
I only support the removal of Far-Sight if the Soviet mortar flares are patched as currently it is 50/50 if the mortar will fire the flare or dick about until you give it a new command.
Or you could just reverse your tank a bit as the Su-85 is far too slow to follow with the ability active.
Or you could just reverse your tank a bit as the Su-85 is far too slow to follow with the ability active.
13 May 2016, 17:41 PM
#18
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As Swiftwabre said, and also look at Mr. Smith's comment.
"Claims of T3 death are greatly exaggerated."
"Claims of T3 death are greatly exaggerated."
13 May 2016, 17:58 PM
#19
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a single wrong move/pathing and the su85 is gone. Furthermore self spotting makes them as fast as a grandma.
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13 May 2016, 18:12 PM
#20
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Not that I think the Jackson poses any problem, but you should still check your calculation...
Heh, that's what you get when you don't proofread your posts. Fixed it lol
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