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Current SU85 vet2 receives big nerf. The change from 0.7x reload to 1.3x penetration is just a cover. Actually, its dps bonus reduces greatly from 1/0.7=1.43x to 1.3x.
In other word, that's 30% reduction for vet 2 bonus, no less.
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nerf su 76 ap round reduce and cost and its fine its still over performance agaist su-85 =P
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Current SU85 vet2 receives big nerf. The change from 0.7x reload to 1.3x penetration is just a cover. Actually, its dps bonus reduces greatly from 1/0.7=1.43x to 1.3x.
In other word, that's 30% reduction for vet 2 bonus, no less.
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DPS doesn't matter for much if shots don't consistently penetrate. So, yes, pre-mod vet SU-85 was amazing against mediums, but lacking against heavy tanks; which meant it served largely the same role as the SU-76, which is far cheaper.
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Hardly. Its sufficient vs meds, but falls behind quickly vs heavies.
New SU-85 on the other hand does the heavy duty job just fine.
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Current SU85 vet2 receives big nerf. The change from 0.7x reload to 1.3x penetration is just a cover. Actually, its dps bonus reduces greatly from 1/0.7=1.43x to 1.3x.
In other word, that's 30% reduction for vet 2 bonus, no less.
Katitof-2018
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Versus medium tanks: SU-76
Versus heavy tanks: SU-85
Where is the problem exactly?
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+1. Su85 now will murder heavy tanks left and right, what are you complaining about guys.
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they will penetrate more and thats good cuz thats what they wanted. but the vet 2 change makes it worse while vetting up. not hard to understand is it? losing 30% attack speed is crushing to su85, and its base attack speed was lowered to in a way cuz u cant get close to raise dps from attacking fast. might point is. when they changed its base penetraion thats all that was needed in the change with the 10 added f cost. they buffed one thing then nerfed another by a ton. ROF is a big deal in any game
Katitof-2018
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To people who say DPS "falls off" at vet 2: Do you guys even bother factoring in the armor of the target? What about the chance for those shots to be misses (because accuracy got buffed too)? Because the "math" you guys do only applies if the SU-85 is shooting a kubelwagen at a theoretical and impossible 100% accuracy.i think it should have its 30% constant rate of fire back like all the other tanks to make it fair it does lose dps cus 30% haste/ROF > a little % chance to penetrate. the base pen buff was enough penetration
Ugh. You guys need to not be such armchair theorists.
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my point exactly bro, i still dont see why ppl like this change its either there not understanding or they are axis fanboys and are just agreeing to agree to make it seem like its a good change but its not. im sure this is a huuge nerf, and its so obvious. they didnt need to change its reload speed at vet2. the base penetraion buff was enough. of a buff and it was all that was needed. not a vet 2 super nerf
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Buffing the penetration to 240 while retaining the same vet 2 (and 3) reload speed bonus would make for a hilariously OP SU-85.
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