Idea for Penals

Jump back to quoted post8 Apr 2016, 00:24 AMMyself

I did not claim that Penal should be weak. I don't even think that they are actually weak, I have even seen games be won with an early aggressive use of them against OKW trucks...

And that is why I have suggested that one should not try to fix them only by boosting their DPS, and should also get more abilities/utility...

It is an idea worth trying, so give them Gaurds Mosin that have 1.4 far DPS instead of giving them 6 weapon that will be superior in all ranges and will allow them to bit G43 grenadier (at all ranges)and even win against PG and SP...The problem is not that they will have to much DPS far but that they will have too much DPS in all ranges, axis units should be able to have an advantage at some range

You can probably test it in miragelfa's mod it has numbers that are that high if I remember correctly

R.E. or assault engineers not riflemen...Any one buying a flamer will actually see a drop in damage against target further than 20. Is there any real point in debating flamers? Penal currently can fight infatry but their kit of flamers and satchel charges makes the unit excel in clearing garrison fighting units in heavy cover and blowing up buildings...

Jump back to quoted post8 Apr 2016, 07:10 AMDomine

Maybe give them another upgrade? Like either 2 flamethrowers or the ability to lay mines, maybe a wirecutter(but no minesweeper, they're penals after all OpieOP)


I think we really can go in any direction with them.

Jump back to quoted post8 Apr 2016, 07:28 AMDomine

Yeah sure we can. There's so much we can do to them. But I always wanted Soviets to have upgrades. Why not both?

Jump back to quoted post8 Apr 2016, 07:28 AMDomine

But I always wanted Soviets to have upgrades. Why not both?

Jump back to quoted post8 Apr 2016, 06:48 AMKatitof

He says he didn't claimed that he wants penals weak, while suggesting making osttruppen out of them while conscripts already are osttruppen.

He can't even agree with himself and you expect him to agree with anyone else?

He has set his mind before joining the thread, no amount of reason or logic will get to him, he is terrified of the penal buff and will do everything he can to prevent it and nothing will change that.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2016, 16:15 PMKatitof

Long range DPS from 4 to 8.
Done, unit fixed.
Nothing more is needed, no big changes, no new abilities, no vet changes.
Just this simple change gives them new utility without impacting their intended role of mid range squad.

Jump back to quoted post8 Apr 2016, 02:20 AMFiresparks

this is getting nowhere. If we can't even agree on the most basic point that penals are weak there's really no point in going forward.

Jump back to quoted post24 Mar 2016, 16:15 PMKatitof

Long range DPS from 4 to 8.
Done, unit fixed.

Nothing more is needed, no big changes, no new abilities, no vet changes.

Just this simple change gives them new utility without impacting their intended role of mid range squad.

Basically makes them Rifles who don't scale as well, but work in contrast of soviet army.

@Aus

Not really, they'd synergise with cons well, they'd be usable from long range and wouldn't have to pretty much always commit to running YOLO to get into range where they actually do anything, they also deal 8 dmg, so they are not bursty at all and most importantly, they would not overlap with cons and CEs.

Jump back to quoted post10 Apr 2016, 12:37 PMshadowwada

penals still suffer from T1 being a shitty tier to go. scout cars can't really operate vs weh and has a small window vs okw where they don't have AT. No one really goes snipers. Cons outshine penals due to being basic cheap inf with their utility, such as sandbags and AT nades. If you want elite inf, call in guards would be better.

Some penal buffs would help but T1 as a whole needs to be buffed as well as nerfing weh's unkillable sniper. Hard to go expensive elite inf when the sniper slowly bleeds you down

Jump back to quoted post12 Apr 2016, 15:55 PMwongtp

in fact, i have no idea how to counter a well micro-ed sniper that is always constantly cover by mg42s, grens and the like.

smoke and flank maybe.