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Australian Magic
16 Mar 2016, 17:39 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Mar 2016, 17:32 PMAerohank


The M42 has range advantage.

You can fire at light vehicles from behind a screen of AT nade wielding conscripts with the M42 without exposing the unit to enemy fire. A guard squad has to be directly on the front-line to fight, vulnerable to repressive- or focus fire from the enemy. This may force an early retreat of your AT unit, this collapsing your front line. The M42 does not have this limitation because it has range.


On the other hand it has also cons. Can be flanked, can be circled to death, can't retreat etc.

Everything has pros and cons.
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Vuther
16 Mar 2016, 17:43 PM
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Give it a timed vet ability that increases its pen at the cost of a litte bit of fire-rate so it won't automatically become useless when mediums hit the field, call it a day and go from there later.
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Katitof
16 Mar 2016, 17:53 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Mar 2016, 17:43 PMVuther
Give it a timed vet ability that increases its pen at the cost of a litte bit of fire-rate so it won't automatically become useless when mediums hit the field, call it a day and go from there later.


USF AT gun has this ability and it doesn't have any drawback to it.

Plus, what good is a vet ability, if the thing can't get vet, because it can't penetrate anything bigger then halftruck.
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Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Australian Magic
16 Mar 2016, 17:57 PM
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What's more, I completly understand your point of view from 1v1 but if we had M42 as a non doc light at in T1 (while any KV put in defensive/urban) you would get even more starts for T1->T3 while those doctrines would be more desirable because of late game call in.

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16 Mar 2016, 18:02 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Mar 2016, 12:47 PMKatitof
Or just replace it with guards.

No bad. It may work. :thumb:
jump backJump back to quoted post16 Mar 2016, 12:58 PMAerohank
M-42 light AT gun is fine. It does what it is supposed to do.

Like penal or T-34-76 yeah:thumbsup:
jump backJump back to quoted post16 Mar 2016, 13:44 PMCrecer13
replace the M42 to BS-3
or increase the damage, penetration, add ability: case-shot

To cool. Even ZiS-2 is too cool for soviets. I am grateful that at least all cons have they rifles.
jump backJump back to quoted post16 Mar 2016, 15:16 PMAerohank

Defensive doctrine because it is awesome

Rule №1 from 2015: if soviet doc don't have elite call infantry, this probably bad doc.
Rule №2 from 2015: if soviet doc don't have call tanks, this probably bad doc.
Rule №3 from 2015: if soviet doc don't have elite call infantry and tanks, this absolutely obvious bad doc.
So i lost somthing? Soviet have solid stock infantry and medium/heavy tanks in 2016?
jump backJump back to quoted post16 Mar 2016, 15:23 PMthedarkarmadillo
Be replaced by at partisans!

They best soviet AT unit. Yeah, civil with stolen panzersherks. CoH2 so CoH2:romeoMug:
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Katitof
16 Mar 2016, 18:05 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Mar 2016, 18:02 PMTAKTCOM

They best soviet AT unit. Yeah, civil with stolen panzersherks. CoH2 so CoH2:romeoMug:


Just a lil historical tip for you:

One of the soviet armies got encircled, didn't surrounded and went partisan tactics instead, training civilians and doing coordinated operations on their own, so yeah, that is kind of military doctrine too.
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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16 Mar 2016, 18:14 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Mar 2016, 18:05 PMKatitof

Just a lil historical tip for you:
One of the soviet armies got encircled, didn't surrounded and went partisan tactics instead, training civilians and doing coordinated operations on their own, so yeah, that is kind of military doctrine too.

I know at. Don't think what we have partizans in 44. But suddenly, they existed. Anyway, AT partymens like strongest sov AT unit is nonsense. One of many, however.
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Myself
16 Mar 2016, 18:17 PM
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I find it rather amusing, that people who constantly have repeated that history does not apply to coh2 not even slightly would make historic arguments themselves.

On topic I find performing M-42 cost effectively it fires fast, it turns fast and it is very cheap. Comparing to Guards and HMG is not very helpful since it is cheaper than those units and has more range.

The commanders that is is available though are situational...
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Vuther
16 Mar 2016, 18:19 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Mar 2016, 17:53 PMKatitof


USF AT gun has this ability and it doesn't have any drawback to it.

Plus, what good is a vet ability, if the thing can't get vet, because it can't penetrate anything bigger then halftruck.

Yeah, but the core concept is fine, just the numbers are no good. 30% more pen (that's what it was, right?) for 30 muni obviously isn't cutting it for 57mm, so the M-42 would obviously need a lot more. Could also make the M-42's only have a cooldown and no cost, because even more so than the 57mm it's fucking useless without the ability at most stages of the game.

Either way, I think the M-42's initial value may be arguable, but its scaling is so trash that Oscar's a close friend of it.
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16 Mar 2016, 18:47 PM
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m42 need change, guys here write so many ideas, but Relic ResidentSleeper.
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16 Mar 2016, 18:47 PM
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M42 should have copy-paste stats and price from OKW raketenwerfer (T0 AT gun)
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16 Mar 2016, 19:13 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Mar 2016, 18:47 PMAdviser
M42 should have copy-paste stats and price from OKW raketenwerfer (T0 AT gun)


How the hell do shreks and raks have more pen than an ATgun? The 34/76?
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Stark
16 Mar 2016, 19:26 PM
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leave mg42 alone, it's fine.

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VonIvan
16 Mar 2016, 19:31 PM
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Maybe give it an AP round option like the USF at-gun? :foreveralone:
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16 Mar 2016, 19:33 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Mar 2016, 19:31 PMVonIvan
Maybe give it an AP round option like the USF at-gun? :foreveralone:


I thought it already uses AP rounds, I mean, it's AT gun, right? :foreveralone:


It needs buffs if it's doctrinal.
But it would be superfine as a non doc T1/T0 unit.
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16 Mar 2016, 19:34 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Mar 2016, 19:31 PMVonIvan
Maybe give it an AP round option like the USF at-gun? :foreveralone:

And value?

Because 30% would put it at PTRS level :foreveralone:
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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16 Mar 2016, 19:47 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Mar 2016, 19:26 PMStark
leave mg42 alone, it's fine.

#adapt

Can't tell if sarcasm or legitimate misreading because you're not even sure what the M-42 AT gun is :foreveralone:

jump backJump back to quoted post16 Mar 2016, 19:33 PMAustralian Magic


I thought it already uses AP rounds, I mean, it's AT gun, right? :foreveralone:


It needs buffs if it's doctrinal.
But it would be superfine as a non doc T1/T0 unit.

Yeah, I'd have explained it as precision shooting, or something.
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thedarkarmadillo
16 Mar 2016, 19:52 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Mar 2016, 18:05 PMKatitof


Just a lil historical tip for you:

One of the soviet armies got encircled, didn't surrounded and went partisan tactics instead, training civilians and doing coordinated operations on their own, so yeah, that is kind of military doctrine too.

ever seen the movie defiance?
its what i felt like when spartisans were king
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16 Mar 2016, 19:58 PM
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It could do with a buff for sure. I'm not sure what should be buffed though.

I have been playing quite a bit of tier 1 since the vet changes (no it is still not worthwhile getting penals) and I find the AT partisans a million times more useful than the M42
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16 Mar 2016, 20:08 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post16 Mar 2016, 19:26 PMStark
leave mg42 alone, it's fine.

#adapt


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