Dive Bomb + Jt/Ele

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2016, 19:58 PMImagelessbean

Let's assume you are correct. If the commander is not working well in 1v1's then it should likely be rebalanced anyway (assuming we balance for 1v1's), or it should be modified for larger team games because it tends to only see play there, and so changes have no effect on the precious 1v1 balance. Saying larger team games can't be balanced is nonsense since last patch we almost had a balanced 3v3 and 4v4 scene, literally less than one month ago.

In team games having an elephant and a stuka dive bomb is relatively easy, and causes games to end as you German steam roll the Allies off the map. The commander should be rebalanced, and I am all in favor of making it more attractive for smaller game modes, and improving its counterplay in larger game modes.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2016, 20:07 PMedibleshrapnel

I have played the doctrine multiple times, and I usually don't have munitions stored up my rear that I can pull out and bomb the enemy into submission. The elefant comes LATE, and being expensive, slow, and lacking AI, it leaves the player requiring a strong infantry or much support from the teamate, which is where team play comes into effect. I'm with you balancing 2 vs 2 and above, but is this really the way? Is this Ostheer doctrine an issue? I think otherwise.

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2016, 21:17 PMNinjaWJ

i feel like it's more of a game issue. THere aren't that many non-doc units and many abilities and units are looked behind commanders.

Jump back to quoted post6 Jan 2016, 19:45 PMDonnieChan

1. Has been fine since 2013

2. leave it alone

3. don't fix what is not broken

4. don't play teamgames if you're concerned about balance

5. next thread

Jump back to quoted post7 Jan 2016, 20:07 PMedibleshrapnel

I have played the doctrine multiple times, and I usually don't have munitions stored up my rear that I can pull out and bomb the enemy into submission. The elefant comes LATE, and being expensive, slow, and lacking AI, it leaves the player requiring a strong infantry or much support from the teamate, which is where team play comes into effect. I'm with you balancing 2 vs 2 and above, but is this really the way? Is this Ostheer doctrine an issue? I think otherwise.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2016, 01:01 AMNorthWeapon

Right now it instagibs any unit with 15m radius.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2016, 03:16 AMJespe

By any unit you meant infantry, right?

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2016, 04:10 AMNuclear Arbitor

and light vehicles and some buildings.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2016, 04:43 AMNorthWeapon

And it can kill full HP medium tanks within 10m range.

Pinpoint accuracy, 160 MU only, no flares. Only indication is sound. Sometimes you can't hear it until it gets really loud around 3 seconds before it goes off, even worse if you're talking with teammates, even worse if your volumes are low, and even worse if you're listening to music.

Yeah... terrible. Remove this no questions asked.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2016, 05:17 AMPanzerGeneralForever

So not being able to hear it makes it OP? You can't move your units out of the way? If it misses you've wasted 160 munitions.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2016, 04:43 AMNorthWeapon

And it can kill full HP medium tanks within 10m range.

Pinpoint accuracy, 160 MU only, no flares. Only indication is sound. Sometimes you can't hear it until it gets really loud around 3 seconds before it goes off, even worse if you're talking with teammates, even worse if your volumes are low, and even worse if you're listening to music.

Yeah... terrible. Remove this no questions asked.

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2016, 13:07 PMRiCE

Elefant and Stuka not gonna win any game for you...

Jump back to quoted post8 Jan 2016, 04:43 AMNorthWeapon

And it can kill full HP medium tanks within 10m range.