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IA3 - HH
1 Jan 2016, 18:20 PM
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wehr grenadiers must be 5 men squad, comet or m4 sherman wipe grenadiers with one shot, also they are very weak against infantry section with 2 Bren

sorry if my eng is not very good :)
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Tobis
1 Jan 2016, 18:26 PM
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IA3 - HH
1 Jan 2016, 18:29 PM
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yes :)

sorry if my eng is not very good :)
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Skabinsk
1 Jan 2016, 18:33 PM
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sure after reducing combat effectiveness with the increased member.
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Jespe
1 Jan 2016, 18:51 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post1 Jan 2016, 18:33 PMSkabinsk
sure after reducing combat effectiveness with the increased member.


Hell Yes!

Like they aren'nt already easy to just rush headon and wipe... Specially rush because the last model usually tries to retread and needs to be blocked with own models to ensure wipe...
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GenObi
1 Jan 2016, 19:03 PM
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I concur, I am willing to have 5 man squads on exchange for slight DPS cut and a slight price increase

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edibleshrapnel
1 Jan 2016, 19:13 PM
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let's doooo it! Although would Relic really consider this plausible after the games been out for almost 3 years?
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Morrodes
1 Jan 2016, 19:14 PM
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Maybe give Ostheer a bolster infantry upgrade like the one from the UKF trough tech or commander.
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GenObi
1 Jan 2016, 19:18 PM
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Unlikely since the theme for wer is defensive by nature and when you do attack you spear head with armor not infantry.

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A big guy 4u
1 Jan 2016, 22:08 PM
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''I want a five man squad that's marginally more expensive than conscripts, but still way more efficient and doesn't need upgrades to unlock panzerfaust, also unlike conscripts it will hava a NonDoc weapon upgrade''

Do you know how ridiculous you are? You already have the best tanks,the best MG, now you want the best infantry?

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BeefSurge
1 Jan 2016, 22:39 PM
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Omega_Warrior
1 Jan 2016, 23:20 PM
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Why? Ostheer has the best 1v1 stats. Why fuck with something that's working just fine.
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Firesparks
1 Jan 2016, 23:31 PM
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grenadiers are fine.

the problems are the terminator vet on the rifleman and schreck on the volks.


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The_Courier
1 Jan 2016, 23:58 PM
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Grenadiers are more or the most balanced infantry in the game if you ask me. The LMG42 might be very slightly too powerful, but the unit is perfect where it is and requires no changes whatsoever.
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2 Jan 2016, 00:17 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post1 Jan 2016, 19:14 PMMorrodes
Maybe give Ostheer a bolster infantry upgrade like the one from the UKF trough tech or commander.


Yeah because Wehr teching needs to be more expensive than it is now lol
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SpaceHamster
2 Jan 2016, 00:33 AM
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Grenadiers were fine when there was only soviets to fight. I still believe they are fine even with the addition of UKF and USF; which is screwing with ostheers meta by forcing them to go callin heavy with mobile defense, ostruppen doctrine, etc.

Plus, grens have killer 40% accuracy vet; 5 men grenadiers would basically be obers at vet 2.
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wongtp
2 Jan 2016, 01:06 AM
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yes if you remove lmg from them and lower kar98 profile dps to match initial 4 man squad.

no if you want lmg to stay with them.
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Nuclear Arbitor
2 Jan 2016, 01:16 AM
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grens are certainly past their prime at the moment but i feel that that has more to do with everyone blobing right now and grens being good but expensive to get going. it's just easier to blob a couple of mg42s and then transition into later tier units than spam grens now.
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Intelligence209
2 Jan 2016, 01:19 AM
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Yes. Obviously change the DPS to match the 4 man squad. Survivability is the key they need.

But at the same time they are fine as they are now..
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comm_ash
2 Jan 2016, 01:52 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post2 Jan 2016, 01:19 AMIntelligence209
Yes. Obviously change the DPS to match the 4 man squad. Survivability is the key they need.

But at the same time they are fine as they are now..


I've said it before, and I'll say it again. You cannot make grens a 5-man squad and just spread their current DPS across the members without a pretty big price nerf.

Just as an example, lets look at cons vs. grens. Cons have lower DPS per squad AT EVERY RANGE (this includes close).

Gren (no lmg) DPS per squad (c/f): 23.9504/ 9.0513
Con DPS per squad (c/f): 20.6440/ 5.0720

The only reason cons win at any range is because of the extra HP per squad that they have.

A 5-man gren squad with the same DPS per squad as the current squad could beat cons at any range, making conscripts pointless. This would have even farther reaching implications when you take into account the fact that the extra squad member will allow their lmg to deal even more damage before being forced to retreat.

5-man grens will require a rework of every allied base infantry in the game, as well as a price nerf if it is done in the way discussed here.
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