Login

russian armor
COH2.ORG » Forums » Parlor Room » COH2 Central » COH2 Balance » grenadiers

grenadiers

PAGES (2)down
New topic New topic     Upload replay New Reply
IA3 - HH
1 Jan 2016, 18:20 PM
#1
avatar of IA3 - HH

Posts: 289

wehr grenadiers must be 5 men squad, comet or m4 sherman wipe grenadiers with one shot, also they are very weak against infantry section with 2 Bren

sorry if my eng is not very good :)
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
Tobis
1 Jan 2016, 18:26 PM
#2
avatar of Tobis
Senior Strategist Badge
Donator 11

Posts: 2307 | Subs: 4

No.
Tobis "Complete Throw"

Someone asked what my avatar was from... I really don't know.

Defeated Paula and knocked him out of 2v2 Anniversary Cup :snfBarton:
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
IA3 - HH
1 Jan 2016, 18:29 PM
#3
avatar of IA3 - HH

Posts: 289

yes :)

sorry if my eng is not very good :)
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
Skabinsk
1 Jan 2016, 18:33 PM
#4
avatar of Skabinsk

Posts: 238

sure after reducing combat effectiveness with the increased member.
Playercard of Skabinsk

2v2: Pstreak: + 2with Jadame
3v3: Pstreak: + 46with Brayalex., & Jadame
3v3: Pstreak: + 3with Brayalex., & G.dot
4v4: Pstreak: + 132with Brayalex., Jadame, & G.dot


Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
Jespe
1 Jan 2016, 18:51 PM
#5
avatar of Jespe

Posts: 190

jump backJump back to quoted post1 Jan 2016, 18:33 PMSkabinsk
sure after reducing combat effectiveness with the increased member.


Hell Yes!

Like they aren'nt already easy to just rush headon and wipe... Specially rush because the last model usually tries to retread and needs to be blocked with own models to ensure wipe...
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
GenObi
1 Jan 2016, 19:03 PM
#6
avatar of GenObi

Posts: 556

I concur, I am willing to have 5 man squads on exchange for slight DPS cut and a slight price increase

Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
edibleshrapnel
1 Jan 2016, 19:13 PM
#7
avatar of edibleshrapnel

Posts: 552

let's doooo it! Although would Relic really consider this plausible after the games been out for almost 3 years?
ahwoah kenny
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
Morrodes
1 Jan 2016, 19:14 PM
#8
avatar of Morrodes

Posts: 33

Maybe give Ostheer a bolster infantry upgrade like the one from the UKF trough tech or commander.
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
GenObi
1 Jan 2016, 19:18 PM
#9
avatar of GenObi

Posts: 556

Unlikely since the theme for wer is defensive by nature and when you do attack you spear head with armor not infantry.

Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
A big guy 4u
1 Jan 2016, 22:08 PM
#10
avatar of A big guy 4u

Posts: 168

''I want a five man squad that's marginally more expensive than conscripts, but still way more efficient and doesn't need upgrades to unlock panzerfaust, also unlike conscripts it will hava a NonDoc weapon upgrade''

Do you know how ridiculous you are? You already have the best tanks,the best MG, now you want the best infantry?

Of coursh
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
BeefSurge
1 Jan 2016, 22:39 PM
#11
avatar of BeefSurge

Posts: 1891

No.
The Fascisti Will Pay.
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
Omega_Warrior
1 Jan 2016, 23:20 PM
#12
avatar of Omega_Warrior

Posts: 2561

Why? Ostheer has the best 1v1 stats. Why fuck with something that's working just fine.
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
Firesparks
1 Jan 2016, 23:31 PM
#13
avatar of Firesparks

Posts: 1930

grenadiers are fine.

the problems are the terminator vet on the rifleman and schreck on the volks.


Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
The_Courier
1 Jan 2016, 23:58 PM
#14
avatar of The_Courier

Posts: 665

Grenadiers are more or the most balanced infantry in the game if you ask me. The LMG42 might be very slightly too powerful, but the unit is perfect where it is and requires no changes whatsoever.
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
__deleted__
2 Jan 2016, 00:17 AM
#15
avatar of __deleted__

Posts: 830

jump backJump back to quoted post1 Jan 2016, 19:14 PMMorrodes
Maybe give Ostheer a bolster infantry upgrade like the one from the UKF trough tech or commander.


Yeah because Wehr teching needs to be more expensive than it is now lol
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
SpaceHamster
2 Jan 2016, 00:33 AM
#16
avatar of SpaceHamster
Patrion 14

Posts: 474

Grenadiers were fine when there was only soviets to fight. I still believe they are fine even with the addition of UKF and USF; which is screwing with ostheers meta by forcing them to go callin heavy with mobile defense, ostruppen doctrine, etc.

Plus, grens have killer 40% accuracy vet; 5 men grenadiers would basically be obers at vet 2.
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
wongtp
2 Jan 2016, 01:06 AM
#17
avatar of wongtp

Posts: 647

yes if you remove lmg from them and lower kar98 profile dps to match initial 4 man squad.

no if you want lmg to stay with them.
SunBro

http://www.coh2.org/ladders/playercard/steamid/76561197993238990
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
Nuclear Arbitor
2 Jan 2016, 01:16 AM
#18
avatar of Nuclear Arbitor
Patrion 28

Posts: 2470

grens are certainly past their prime at the moment but i feel that that has more to do with everyone blobing right now and grens being good but expensive to get going. it's just easier to blob a couple of mg42s and then transition into later tier units than spam grens now.
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
Intelligence209
2 Jan 2016, 01:19 AM
#19
avatar of Intelligence209

Posts: 1124

Yes. Obviously change the DPS to match the 4 man squad. Survivability is the key they need.

But at the same time they are fine as they are now..
Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
comm_ash
2 Jan 2016, 01:52 AM
#20
avatar of comm_ash
Patrion 14

Posts: 1194 | Subs: 1

jump backJump back to quoted post2 Jan 2016, 01:19 AMIntelligence209
Yes. Obviously change the DPS to match the 4 man squad. Survivability is the key they need.

But at the same time they are fine as they are now..


I've said it before, and I'll say it again. You cannot make grens a 5-man squad and just spread their current DPS across the members without a pretty big price nerf.

Just as an example, lets look at cons vs. grens. Cons have lower DPS per squad AT EVERY RANGE (this includes close).

Gren (no lmg) DPS per squad (c/f): 23.9504/ 9.0513
Con DPS per squad (c/f): 20.6440/ 5.0720

The only reason cons win at any range is because of the extra HP per squad that they have.

A 5-man gren squad with the same DPS per squad as the current squad could beat cons at any range, making conscripts pointless. This would have even farther reaching implications when you take into account the fact that the extra squad member will allow their lmg to deal even more damage before being forced to retreat.

5-man grens will require a rework of every allied base infantry in the game, as well as a price nerf if it is done in the way discussed here.
Playercard of comm_ash

1v1: Pstreak: - 1
1v1: Pstreak: + 11
1v1: Pstreak: + 8
1v1: Pstreak: + 9



Reply Reply Multi Quote Reply Reply
PAGES (2)down
New topic New topic     Upload replay New Reply
0 user is browsing this thread:
COH2.ORG » Forums » Parlor Room » COH2 Central » COH2 Balance » grenadiers

Ladders Top 10

UKF
USF
OKW
SOV
OST
1v1
2v2
3v3
4v4
  • #
    Steam Alias
    W
    L
    %
    Streak
Data provided by Relic Relic Entertainment

Replay highlight

Top Tier Teams
VS
  • U.S. Forces flag cblanco ★
  • The British Forces flag 보드카 중대
  • Oberkommando West flag VonManteuffel
  • Ostheer flag Heartless Jäger
Einhoven Country
Einhoven Country Honor
Honor it
11
 Download
Download
1265
uploaded by XXxxHeartlessxxXX

Board Info

952 users are online: 952 guests
1 post in the last 24h
9 posts in the last week
27 posts in the last month
Registered members: 50007
Welcome our newest member, Helzer96
Most online: 2043 users on 29 Oct 2023, 01:04 AM