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BIS-Commando
11 Dec 2015, 10:07 AM
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What do u think about cost increased for Shrek and Bazooka? Shrek from 90 to 120 and Bazooka from 50 to 80-85 muni. I'm sick and tired to see all the players making hoardes of volks+shreks and riflemen+zookas.
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11 Dec 2015, 10:12 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 10:07 AMBIS-Commando
What do u think about cost increased for Shrek and Bazooka? Shrek from 90 to 120 and Bazooka from 50 to 80-85 muni. I'm sick and tired to see all the players making hoardes of volks+shreks and riflemen+zookas.


120 munitions for a single shreck? You are pushing it here Commando-man
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BIS-Commando
11 Dec 2015, 10:16 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 10:12 AM__deleted__


120 munitions for a single shreck? You are pushing it here Commando-man


Or at least 105-110. But 50 muni for bazooka..this is silly....
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Katitof
11 Dec 2015, 10:17 AM
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There was a reason why zook cost went from 60 to 50 in the first place you know.
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Kozokus
11 Dec 2015, 10:17 AM
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Hello.

Diminishing the costs of zooks was a strong request of the comm as it was barely used before with the ancient cost.

Also remember that if your unit get stronger against tanks it gets 1/5 2/5 times weaker against infantery. The low cost also includs two facts : shrek/zook are underwhelming against big armor and you take the risk to give a weapon to the ennemy in case of squadewhipe.

Also, paying 120 for a shreck would feels unfair in front of the 2Xshreck of the pgren for the same price.
A good proposal would be to limit the number of zook to 1 per squad maybe.

For my part i do not feel a need for change in that area bu i realize i am a little bit too prudent about balance.

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11 Dec 2015, 10:18 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 10:16 AMBIS-Commando


Or at least 105-110. But 50 muni for bazooka..this is silly....


What needs to be reworked is the stacking of triple "volksgrenadier combat package costs 5% less" bulletins. Bazooka still is mediocre at best, an upgrade to 75 would be reasonable if a slight buff would be introduced.
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KyleAkira
11 Dec 2015, 10:18 AM
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I just would make the aim time for zookas and shrecks to be higher. atm when loaded the rocket can be insta fired, in that case a good tank micro would be great against these blobs, and that will make schreks more deffensive instead of A moving.

I think guards PTRS take longer to aim&fire than a bazooka or a shreck.
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Raindrop
11 Dec 2015, 10:23 AM
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Shreck weapon range to 32 or 30 form 35.

This way players would have harder time too a-move them, since tanks would be able to kite them more easyly.

Bazooka is fine imo.
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JohnnyB
11 Dec 2015, 10:26 AM
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No.
BeefSurge wrote:
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
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Remo
11 Dec 2015, 11:00 AM
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 10:26 AMJohnnyB
No.


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Kreatiir
11 Dec 2015, 11:28 AM
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I think they need to make it 250 for a shreck and 150 for a zook!!!!!!
All posts made are about situations in 2v2's. Not a 1v1 player.
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BIS-Commando
11 Dec 2015, 12:00 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 11:28 AMKreatiir
I think they need to make it 250 for a shreck and 150 for a zook!!!!!!


YES !!! TOTALLY AGREE !!!
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Grumpy
11 Dec 2015, 14:45 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 10:07 AMBIS-Commando
What do u think about cost increased for Shrek and Bazooka? Shrek from 90 to 120 and Bazooka from 50 to 80-85 muni. I'm sick and tired to see all the players making hoardes of volks+shreks and riflemen+zookas.


Almost nobody bought bazookas when they were 60 munis, and few people buy them now. You can't really compare zooks to shreks anyway, because shreks penetrate nearly every time and zooks penetrate 1/2 to 1/3 of the time (and IIRC do less damage).

I'm not sure if shreks should have a price increase. Shrek blobs are still real and destroy allied armor quite well but they're also attached to an infantry unit that gets wiped somewhat easily. Leaving it alone for now would be good.
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BIS-Commando
11 Dec 2015, 14:53 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 14:45 PMGrumpy


Almost nobody bought bazookas when they were 60 munis, and few people buy them now. You can't really compare zooks to shreks anyway, because shreks penetrate nearly every time and zooks penetrate 1/2 to 1/3 of the time (and IIRC do less damage).

I'm not sure if shreks should have a price increase. Shrek blobs are still real and destroy allied armor quite well but they're also attached to an infantry unit that gets wiped somewhat easily. Leaving it alone for now would be good.


Are u kidding me ???...Few players buy zookas ??? And the marmot wrapped the chocolate in a tinfoil !!!
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Katitof
11 Dec 2015, 14:55 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 14:53 PMBIS-Commando


Are u kidding me ???...Few players buy zookas ??? And the marmot wrapped the chocolate in a tinfoil !!!


Let me guess.... 4v4 hero?
jump backJump back to quoted post25 Nov 2015, 11:09 AM$nuffy
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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BIS-Commando
11 Dec 2015, 15:02 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 10:17 AMKatitof
There was a reason why zook cost went from 60 to 50 in the first place you know.


The reason is to blob Riflemen with zookas ?
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Stafkeh
11 Dec 2015, 15:14 PM
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Shrek :romeoPls:

Its fine as it is. However, schrecks shouldn't be on main line infantry...
\:snfQuinn:/ \:brad:/
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BIS-Commando
11 Dec 2015, 15:18 PM
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jump backJump back to quoted post11 Dec 2015, 15:14 PMStafkeh
Shrek :romeoPls:

Its fine as it is. However, schrecks shouldn't be on main line infantry...


Yes...they should be a Obersoldaten weapon for exemple.
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Mittens
11 Dec 2015, 16:31 PM
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Shreck always pen medium armor, a cost increase or performance change would be welcome if they reduced its long range capabilities and kept it as a defensive AT weapon on volks.

Pgrens are a different story and I feel like aren't applicable due to their low usage and their reduce AI capabilities from the upgrade.

If increasing the muni cost doesn't tickle your fancy then a side tech such as US weapon racks or the brit weapon racks would be a welcome change to OKW. This would give the reketen a larger Early game AT role as well as delay the blobs of volks that are happening in larger games
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