Shrek and Bazooka should be more EXPENSIVE
11 Dec 2015, 10:07 AM
#1
Posts: 137
What do u think about cost increased for Shrek and Bazooka? Shrek from 90 to 120 and Bazooka from 50 to 80-85 muni. I'm sick and tired to see all the players making hoardes of volks+shreks and riflemen+zookas.
11 Dec 2015, 10:12 AM
#2
Posts: 830
What do u think about cost increased for Shrek and Bazooka? Shrek from 90 to 120 and Bazooka from 50 to 80-85 muni. I'm sick and tired to see all the players making hoardes of volks+shreks and riflemen+zookas.
120 munitions for a single shreck? You are pushing it here Commando-man
11 Dec 2015, 10:16 AM
#3
Posts: 137
120 munitions for a single shreck? You are pushing it here Commando-man
Or at least 105-110. But 50 muni for bazooka..this is silly....
11 Dec 2015, 10:17 AM
#4
Posts: 17914 | Subs: 8
There was a reason why zook cost went from 60 to 50 in the first place you know.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
11 Dec 2015, 10:17 AM
#5
Posts: 301
Hello.
Diminishing the costs of zooks was a strong request of the comm as it was barely used before with the ancient cost.
Also remember that if your unit get stronger against tanks it gets 1/5 2/5 times weaker against infantery. The low cost also includs two facts : shrek/zook are underwhelming against big armor and you take the risk to give a weapon to the ennemy in case of squadewhipe.
Also, paying 120 for a shreck would feels unfair in front of the 2Xshreck of the pgren for the same price.
A good proposal would be to limit the number of zook to 1 per squad maybe.
For my part i do not feel a need for change in that area bu i realize i am a little bit too prudent about balance.
Kozo.
Diminishing the costs of zooks was a strong request of the comm as it was barely used before with the ancient cost.
Also remember that if your unit get stronger against tanks it gets 1/5 2/5 times weaker against infantery. The low cost also includs two facts : shrek/zook are underwhelming against big armor and you take the risk to give a weapon to the ennemy in case of squadewhipe.
Also, paying 120 for a shreck would feels unfair in front of the 2Xshreck of the pgren for the same price.
A good proposal would be to limit the number of zook to 1 per squad maybe.
For my part i do not feel a need for change in that area bu i realize i am a little bit too prudent about balance.
Kozo.
...For conflict is the great teacher,
and pain... the perfect educator...
and pain... the perfect educator...
11 Dec 2015, 10:18 AM
#6
Posts: 830
Or at least 105-110. But 50 muni for bazooka..this is silly....
What needs to be reworked is the stacking of triple "volksgrenadier combat package costs 5% less" bulletins. Bazooka still is mediocre at best, an upgrade to 75 would be reasonable if a slight buff would be introduced.
11 Dec 2015, 10:18 AM
#7
Posts: 410
I just would make the aim time for zookas and shrecks to be higher. atm when loaded the rocket can be insta fired, in that case a good tank micro would be great against these blobs, and that will make schreks more deffensive instead of A moving.
I think guards PTRS take longer to aim&fire than a bazooka or a shreck.
I think guards PTRS take longer to aim&fire than a bazooka or a shreck.
11 Dec 2015, 10:23 AM
#8
Posts: 105
Shreck weapon range to 32 or 30 form 35.
This way players would have harder time too a-move them, since tanks would be able to kite them more easyly.
Bazooka is fine imo.
This way players would have harder time too a-move them, since tanks would be able to kite them more easyly.
Bazooka is fine imo.
11 Dec 2015, 10:26 AM
#9
Posts: 2396 | Subs: 1
No.
BeefSurge wrote:
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
A lot of people have an image of how they want a faction to play, leading to problems. This is why you have people complaining about lack of Soviet bunkers, why T34/76 sucks, why Cons don't scale, Grens don't get normal grenades, Muricans don't get heavy tank, OKW laser weapons and Die Glock Death Bell, etc.
11 Dec 2015, 11:00 AM
#10
Posts: 111
11 Dec 2015, 11:28 AM
#11
Posts: 2819
I think they need to make it 250 for a shreck and 150 for a zook!!!!!!
All posts made are about situations in 2v2's. Not a 1v1 player.
11 Dec 2015, 12:00 PM
#12
Posts: 137
I think they need to make it 250 for a shreck and 150 for a zook!!!!!!
YES !!! TOTALLY AGREE !!!
11 Dec 2015, 14:45 PM
#14
Posts: 1954
What do u think about cost increased for Shrek and Bazooka? Shrek from 90 to 120 and Bazooka from 50 to 80-85 muni. I'm sick and tired to see all the players making hoardes of volks+shreks and riflemen+zookas.
Almost nobody bought bazookas when they were 60 munis, and few people buy them now. You can't really compare zooks to shreks anyway, because shreks penetrate nearly every time and zooks penetrate 1/2 to 1/3 of the time (and IIRC do less damage).
I'm not sure if shreks should have a price increase. Shrek blobs are still real and destroy allied armor quite well but they're also attached to an infantry unit that gets wiped somewhat easily. Leaving it alone for now would be good.
11 Dec 2015, 14:53 PM
#15
Posts: 137
Almost nobody bought bazookas when they were 60 munis, and few people buy them now. You can't really compare zooks to shreks anyway, because shreks penetrate nearly every time and zooks penetrate 1/2 to 1/3 of the time (and IIRC do less damage).
I'm not sure if shreks should have a price increase. Shrek blobs are still real and destroy allied armor quite well but they're also attached to an infantry unit that gets wiped somewhat easily. Leaving it alone for now would be good.
Are u kidding me ???...Few players buy zookas ??? And the marmot wrapped the chocolate in a tinfoil !!!
11 Dec 2015, 14:55 PM
#16
Posts: 17914 | Subs: 8
Are u kidding me ???...Few players buy zookas ??? And the marmot wrapped the chocolate in a tinfoil !!!
Let me guess.... 4v4 hero?
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
11 Dec 2015, 15:02 PM
#17
Posts: 137
There was a reason why zook cost went from 60 to 50 in the first place you know.
The reason is to blob Riflemen with zookas ?
11 Dec 2015, 15:14 PM
#18
4 Posts: 1006
Shrek 
Its fine as it is. However, schrecks shouldn't be on main line infantry...
Its fine as it is. However, schrecks shouldn't be on main line infantry...
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11 Dec 2015, 15:18 PM
#19
Posts: 137
Shrek
Its fine as it is. However, schrecks shouldn't be on main line infantry...
Yes...they should be a Obersoldaten weapon for exemple.
11 Dec 2015, 16:31 PM
#20
1 Posts: 1276
Shreck always pen medium armor, a cost increase or performance change would be welcome if they reduced its long range capabilities and kept it as a defensive AT weapon on volks.
Pgrens are a different story and I feel like aren't applicable due to their low usage and their reduce AI capabilities from the upgrade.
If increasing the muni cost doesn't tickle your fancy then a side tech such as US weapon racks or the brit weapon racks would be a welcome change to OKW. This would give the reketen a larger Early game AT role as well as delay the blobs of volks that are happening in larger games
Pgrens are a different story and I feel like aren't applicable due to their low usage and their reduce AI capabilities from the upgrade.
If increasing the muni cost doesn't tickle your fancy then a side tech such as US weapon racks or the brit weapon racks would be a welcome change to OKW. This would give the reketen a larger Early game AT role as well as delay the blobs of volks that are happening in larger games
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