I am happy flames are going to be tuned down, they were clearly overperforming, but, goddammit, what about the bloody Centaur?
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12 Oct 2015, 15:16 PM
#161
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I was expecting some changes that would give players some time to react to squad wipes by the British Centaur. It looks like we will have to keep waiting.
I am happy flames are going to be tuned down, they were clearly overperforming, but, goddammit, what about the bloody Centaur?
I am happy flames are going to be tuned down, they were clearly overperforming, but, goddammit, what about the bloody Centaur?
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12 Oct 2015, 15:21 PM
#162
Posts: 87
Why was Churchill double nerfed? Decrease the armor would've sufficed.
because relic a
12 Oct 2015, 15:36 PM
#163
Posts: 738
That KV-8 Nerf is freaking huge
good, I'm tired of playing against those things every single game like the old flamer HT.
It should be a specialist unit to help on urban maps, not a shock unit to help you burn all the enemies volks, AT guns and base structures in the blink of an eye.
12 Oct 2015, 15:46 PM
#164
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So... If Centaur can hardly kill unit in builings, if Brits still don't have indirect fire, flamer infantry, incediary nades and useful arty, how they gonna clear heavy fortifications? 
12 Oct 2015, 17:38 PM
#165
Posts: 170
So... If Centaur can hardly kill unit in builings, if Brits still don't have indirect fire, flamer infantry, incediary nades and useful arty, how they gonna clear heavy fortifications?
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Also wasp and sniper.
12 Oct 2015, 17:46 PM
#166
Posts: 254
That ISG and Howie accuracy nerf has to be a typo... the change would be minimal...
12 Oct 2015, 17:55 PM
#167
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Test Centuar in the new patch mode preview vs units in garrison. it barely does any damage to them at all!!
A nerf would have been fine but not to make it useless against garrison!
try Centuar with rear armor to mg42 AP rounds in building. it takes centuar to half HP!!!
1 shreck in garrison owns centuar at ease
and generally it takes ages for centuar to kill any unit in garrison.
I don't think that sounds right
Make a test, a compare it how it performs in comparison to:
Flak HT
AA HT (USF)
Flakpanzer
M5 Quad
T70/P2
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
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And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
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12 Oct 2015, 17:58 PM
#168
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Royal Artillery Regiment
Also wasp and sniper.
Wasp? You mean this little squishy early-game unit?
Keeping it alive in middle-late game just for clearing building is truly stupid and really hard.
Try to keep kubel alive from 10min+.
Sniper is slow and micro intensive.
All factions have a way to clear budiling with much less micro.
Also sniper and wasp cannot do anything to OKW builings.
This is where you need indirect which Brits dont have at all.
I belive advice abour arty regiment is just troll
12 Oct 2015, 18:55 PM
#169
Posts: 959
Make a test, a compare it how it performs in comparison to:
Flak HT
AA HT (USF)
Flakpanzer
M5 Quad
T70/P2
you can only compare it to flakpanzer not the other 4 you mentioned, indeed you can't even compare it with the flak panzer, you know why? flakpanzer (Ostwind) is a great unit with very excellent mobility, however Centuar moves too slowly almost like a heavy tank, so that is a wrong comparison you are making dude
12 Oct 2015, 19:41 PM
#170
Posts: 503
I missed this bit earlier, it's wrong. Commandos do around 120 DPS, models have 80 health. Commandos ambush can wipe even Obersoldaten in 4 unless they are Vetted.
Have not tried the balance patch but I still think commandos will be awesome for surprise attacks and flanking support weapons. They will probably not be at all viable as frontline troops now that their damage goes way down which I am OK with.
12 Oct 2015, 19:43 PM
#171
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Relic told us that british can be played as 2 factions.
Agressive or defensive
But now you simply cannot play competitivly with 1-2 emplacements
Agressive or defensive
But now you simply cannot play competitivly with 1-2 emplacements
12 Oct 2015, 19:58 PM
#172
Posts: 4928
Have not tried the balance patch but I still think commandos will be awesome for surprise attacks and flanking support weapons. They will probably not be at all viable as frontline troops now that their damage goes way down which I am OK with.
I did test them, they're not bad but I don't suppose they're excellent either. From an ambush they still beat Panzergrenadiers with only 2 model loses, as opposed to no model losses. StG Obersoldaten are no longer easy targets though, and they cannot be ambushed because their IR Rifles detect the Commandos forcing the British to either force an attack and lose, or retreat. They will lose to Vet 3 Panzergrenadiers, but I don't consider that a bad thing because wiping Vet 3 Panzergrenadiers with ease is bullshit
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12 Oct 2015, 20:05 PM
#173
Posts: 8154 | Subs: 2
you can only compare it to flakpanzer not the other 4 you mentioned, indeed you can't even compare it with the flak panzer, you know why? flakpanzer (Ostwind) is a great unit with very excellent mobility, however Centuar moves too slowly almost like a heavy tank, so that is a wrong comparison you are making dude
No, because bar flamers, no other vehicle excels at clearing garrisons.
My controls weren't working
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
And if they were, you were playing dishonorably,
And if you weren't, you were playing without skill,
And if you were, it's not fun to play that way,
And if it is, you only care about winning.
Bible of Scrublord, Psalt 3:16.
12 Oct 2015, 20:09 PM
#174
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So... If Centaur can hardly kill unit in builings, if Brits still don't have indirect fire, flamer infantry, incediary nades and useful arty, how they gonna clear heavy fortifications?
Breetz dont have indirect fire. WHAT?
ketetof shudnt b allaud tew tawlk abowt balence hee s biasd
12 Oct 2015, 20:21 PM
#175
Posts: 3602 | Subs: 1
If you follow Relic Balance logic, they use to overchange stats from OP to UP, or the other way aroud to finally set the stat in the middle. But sometime they forget the last part 
12 Oct 2015, 20:29 PM
#176
Posts: 1164
you can only compare it to flakpanzer not the other 4 you mentioned, indeed you can't even compare it with the flak panzer, you know why? flakpanzer (Ostwind) is a great unit with very excellent mobility, however Centuar moves too slowly almost like a heavy tank, so that is a wrong comparison you are making dude
alright, then replace ostwind with centaur. i doubt any ostheer player will complain.
12 Oct 2015, 20:29 PM
#177
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Breetz dont have indirect fire. WHAT?
You mean useless and pointless to build mortar pit?
12 Oct 2015, 20:32 PM
#178
Posts: 1384
Relic told us that british can be played as 2 factions.
Agressive or defensive
But now you simply cannot play competitivly with 1-2 emplacements
You totally can.
12 Oct 2015, 20:46 PM
#179
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You mean useless and pointless to build mortar pit?
Thats still indirect fire
ketetof shudnt b allaud tew tawlk abowt balence hee s biasd
12 Oct 2015, 20:48 PM
#180
Posts: 17914 | Subs: 8
Thats still indirect fire
And volks are still ai infantry without shreck
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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