Having them together removes strategic depth and choice, which is not a good idea.
What would certainly be better is Molotov getting a buff, because currently they are awful. Still worth getting though.
Molotovs and AT nades into single upgrade
26 Aug 2015, 09:13 AM
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26 Aug 2015, 09:27 AM
#42
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How about simply making molos much cheaper?
They obviously have lost a lot of their potency since they can't crit full health units anymore, I don't consider them useless, but I definitely don't consider them worthy of 25 fu.
They obviously have lost a lot of their potency since they can't crit full health units anymore, I don't consider them useless, but I definitely don't consider them worthy of 25 fu.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
26 Aug 2015, 10:32 AM
#43
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I say make Molotovs stock, make AT Grenade also include F1 Grenade, and add global upgrade for PPSh's.
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26 Aug 2015, 13:21 PM
#44
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But... but then there will not be a neat voice announcement anymore. Like when they combined the US Weapon Rack Upgrades. Now there is weird silence when the upgrade finishes :/
But that's not a very important thing, I guess.
But that's not a very important thing, I guess.
26 Aug 2015, 13:46 PM
#45
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#BECOZ COH2 HAS TOO MUCH GLOBAL UPGRADE
27 Aug 2015, 07:40 AM
#46
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I've been wanting this ever since they merged the bazooka and BAR rack unlock. On top of that, Germans get Panzerfausts and rifle grenades for free. I see no real reason Soviets have to pay 25 fuel for such a crappy "grenade."
I actually really like this idea.
Molotovs should just be a Vet 1 ability for cons. HAve it to were they pay to unlock a normal Nade. Nothing to good, mine you.
I actually really like this idea.
27 Aug 2015, 07:56 AM
#47
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#BECOZ COH2 HAS TOO MUCH GLOBAL UPGRADE
Global upgrades are about economical decision making.
If the upgrade is so bad that no one gets it, or just a handful of people do, it needs changes.
No one ever got zookas, so they got merged with BARs.
Now no one ever gets zookas, but you have them unlocked at least.
Global upgrades are good idea when they are actually USEFUL.
Having upgrades for the sake of upgrades is horrible design.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
27 Aug 2015, 08:10 AM
#48
Posts: 509
To OP: I say no don't bundle.
The molotov is no good as an AI nade; that much is certain. I do, however, propose that cons get a proper AI nade. I'm not sure how that will work with oorah though.
The molotov is no good as an AI nade; that much is certain. I do, however, propose that cons get a proper AI nade. I'm not sure how that will work with oorah though.
27 Aug 2015, 16:54 PM
#49
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Global upgrades are about economical decision making.
If the upgrade is so bad that no one gets it, or just a handful of people do, it needs changes.
No one ever got zookas, so they got merged with BARs.
Now no one ever gets zookas, but you have them unlocked at least.
Global upgrades are good idea when they are actually USEFUL.
Having upgrades for the sake of upgrades is horrible design.
I did use zooka pre-nerfed, on RE I think it is decent.
I think the dev merging the upgrade just to match the Brit standard, not because it is useless.
27 Aug 2015, 20:40 PM
#50
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But... but then there will not be a neat voice announcement anymore. Like when they combined the US Weapon Rack Upgrades. Now there is weird silence when the upgrade finishes :/
They could just edit the sounds, so USF's voice would say "BAR and Bazooka". If someone can upload a video on Youtube with spliced sounds that aren't immediately apparent, then I'd hope someone at Relic can do it.
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28 Aug 2015, 19:46 PM
#51
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DP LMG upgrade for cons when?
28 Aug 2015, 20:18 PM
#52
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DP LMG upgrade for cons when?
Nah, PPh's. DP's would make them too similar to Grenadiers, who would still remain superior.
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28 Aug 2015, 20:57 PM
#53
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DP LMG upgrade for cons when?
Good question. Can someone Relic guy answer?
28 Aug 2015, 21:52 PM
#54
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If you want a global upgrade for Cons why not a squad size increase and reinforcement cost decrease to make them more cost effective late game?
Imagine 8 man con squads that cost 15mp per model to reinforce
Imagine 8 man con squads that cost 15mp per model to reinforce
28 Aug 2015, 22:03 PM
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If you want a global upgrade for Cons why not a squad size increase and reinforcement cost decrease to make them more cost effective late game?
Imagine 8 man con squads that cost 15mp per model to reinforce
Cons should get all doctrinal upgrades/abilities as usual normal abilities: hit the dirt, ppsh, lmg, ptrs etc. Thats the only way to make them viable late game.
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