Faction comparison by Relic
17 Aug 2015, 20:46 PM
#41
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The limited numbers thing for OKW makes no sense as OKW is the most infantry heavy faction in the game (which is why you have to play so aggressive with them) and almost all OKW strategy revolves around out-map controlling your enemy with superior infantry numbers.
17 Aug 2015, 20:54 PM
#42
Posts: 179
It's great to hear from the developers what their intent and design goals are for each army. Re-assessing each army with the new expansion is excellent - can't wait to what, if anything, has changed since alpha.
17 Aug 2015, 20:57 PM
#43
Posts: 97
you dont need armor to win as usf
pls tell me how to counter enemy armor as usf without m10 or m36
17 Aug 2015, 21:03 PM
#44
Posts: 211
You were in the alpha right?
Maybe that long awaited OKW change is on the way ....
gawd, please no, that was like the worst, most immersion breaking design I have ever seen.
The alpha was there for a reason: To seperate good and bad changes. This was a bad one. Many disliked it.
17 Aug 2015, 21:04 PM
#45
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pls tell me how to counter enemy armor as usf without m10 or m36
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17 Aug 2015, 21:04 PM
#46
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i more of a 2v2 player. KTs are more popular then 1v1, and if you don't have two Jacksons by the time 1 rolls out you're in trouble. Tigers aren't much easier.
you dont need armor to win as usf
At guns aren't much of a replacement with how quick they go down and any zooks investment is useless.
17 Aug 2015, 21:04 PM
#47
Posts: 4928
The suggestion that Relic said they liked best was just removing the ability to salvage the Mad Max kubel wreck.
That wasn't the problem though, the problem was half a dozen Kubels NDA'ing faster than the allies could stop it. I have no idea why they thought removing the fuel cost was a good idea, it wasn't.
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17 Aug 2015, 21:05 PM
#48
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I can see why OKW could be seen as aggressive army. Kubel + Sturm combo plus you can mass Volks.
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17 Aug 2015, 21:09 PM
#49
Posts: 758
USF:"Allows for a variety of approaches"
Good joke Relic!
some days i'm under the impression that relic is thinking with their heads up their ass. unbelievable...
17 Aug 2015, 21:10 PM
#50
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That wasn't the problem though, the problem was half a dozen Kubels NDA'ing faster than the allies could stop it. I have no idea why they thought removing the fuel cost was a good idea, it wasn't.
Having the most basic unit of a faction cost fuel is not a good idea.
17 Aug 2015, 21:12 PM
#51
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Combined tactics for usf? Phaha
the idea works great on paper but in-game it sometimes doesn't
17 Aug 2015, 21:13 PM
#52
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Having the most basic unit of a faction cost fuel is not a good idea.
It is when said unit was not actually the basic infantry unit (sturmpios were)
17 Aug 2015, 21:24 PM
#55
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No it wouldn't have? It would have curbed spam, and it would have made getting one over any other squad an actual decision. You could still scavenge the fuel back.
Because you had no suppression platform to make up for the fact your other basic infantry unit was close combat focused you needed multiple Kubels. Especially if you were going mechanized instead of BG HQ. If you wanted any sort of map control at all you needed multiple ones and had they cost fuel it would set your first tech back a very large amount.
17 Aug 2015, 21:35 PM
#56
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Having the most basic unit of a faction cost fuel is not a good idea.
The Kubelwagen is hardly the "most basic unit of a faction" especially with the changes they were testing with it. The changes made it too spammable and ridiculous.
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17 Aug 2015, 21:36 PM
#57
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Interesting poster. First time I've seen the UKF shield. Not sure what I think of it. The OKW and USF shields were so epic... they make the UKF shield just look kinda meh.
Surprised me to see that OKW is supposed to be the most aggressive faction. I see OKW as turtle into unstoppable late-game.
They shouldve made the 3 new shields in the same graphical style as the first two,
these still look the best imo.
The 3 new ones look kinda "overweight" to me
17 Aug 2015, 21:36 PM
#58
Posts: 1144 | Subs: 7
i more of a 2v2 player. KTs are more popular then 1v1, and if you don't have two Jacksons by the time 1 rolls out you're in trouble. Tigers aren't much easier.
At guns aren't much of a replacement with how quick they go down and any zooks investment is useless.
im more of a 2v2 player than a 1v1 player.
17 Aug 2015, 21:39 PM
#59
Posts: 4951 | Subs: 1
The Kubelwagen is hardly the "most basic unit of a faction" especially with the changes they were testing with it. The changes made it too spammable and ridiculous.
I'm not saying it wasn't ridiculous but the change wasn't broken outside of the being able to salvage the wrecks. None of the Allied factions had an issue countering the Kubel and the more you invested in kubels the less you had to work with later in the game.
Making them cost fuel would have made Mech starts impossible as you could have no map control.
17 Aug 2015, 21:40 PM
#60
Posts: 758
They shouldve made the 3 new shields in the same graphical style as the first two,
these still look the best imo.
The 3 new ones look kinda "overweight" to me
appearances can sometimes be deceiving...
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theekvn: KT just need fuel debuf from 15% to 50%, Ele arc of fire- aim time improve and they are good to go
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OKSpitfire: I do like that they made the Stuka more expensive instead of nerfing it into the ground though. Found it pretty unsatisfying to use before that buff a while back....
06 Mar 2025, 16:35 PM
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aerafield: USF already is by far the shittiest faction in terms of countering blobbing and turtling, now they supposedly have one overtuned tool locked behind a BG and it's immediately a massive problem?
06 Mar 2025, 13:33 PM
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Lady Xenarra: I think post-2.0 Whizbang buffs, the price is too low esp since the Stuka got nerfed in cost too. Speaking of which, how exactly is one supposed to successfully dive this Sherman in disguise? Med tank spam running into SSFs?
06 Mar 2025, 12:13 PM
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OKSpitfire: A powerful, doctrinal unit that outperforms stock stuff? Colour me shocked!
06 Mar 2025, 10:49 AM
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Lady Xenarra: WTB Whizzbang for DAK instead of Stuka, 5 fuel cheape, 60MP more expensive and next to impossible to dive. 
05 Mar 2025, 20:27 PM
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Rosbone: It is also hard to expect Relic to help Coh2 when they cant even make working menus in Coh3 yet, 2 years after release and at full price+ for DLCs. Thats like asking a fish to do calculus.
04 Mar 2025, 02:58 AM
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Rosbone: But this last patch has made good progress for grabbing players. All we can hope is Coh3 gets to Coh2s quality level before everyone abandons the franchise. Its Relic so they will completely f*%k it up as usual. But its a hope/cope.
04 Mar 2025, 02:55 AM
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Rosbone: Relic wants Coh2 to fail so players will migrate to Coh3. It is hard to blame them since Coh3 sucks so bad. It needs all the help it can get.
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