Conscripts need mid-game buff

Jump back to quoted post17 Jul 2015, 18:04 PMNebaka

Penals:
Let's make them REAL suicide squad!
Replace SVT with some kind of close combat version of Mosin-Nagant
0,7 received damage
0,8 received suppression
If one model dies, activating 2-4 sec speed buff. If two models dies buffs stack. If 5/6 of squad wiped, last man run like his life depends on it!

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2015, 05:58 AMSnipester

I wouldn't mind a Penal buff, but buffing Cons? No way. Con spam is still exceptionally strong in the hands of adept players. It provides amazing map control and you end up with so many squads that you can pull off crazy flanks. It was recently one of the most meta strategies for Soviets.

The only changes that have really made Con spam less viable were the nerf to AT grenades against medium and heavy armor, the MG buff, and now the ptrs nerf. And maybe the rise of CAS? But really, does that mean Cons are bad now? Absolutely not. Just means you can't just spam Cons and stall for call ins using oorah -> at nade like they used to. Hence the incorporation of guards into a lot of Soviet build orders lately.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2015, 05:58 AMSnipester

The only changes that have really made Con spam less viable were the nerf to AT grenades against medium and heavy armor, the MG buff, and now the ptrs nerf. And maybe the rise of CAS? But really, does that mean Cons are bad now? Absolutely not. Just means you can't just spam Cons and stall for call ins using oorah -> at nade like they used to. Hence the incorporation of guards into a lot of Soviet build orders lately.

Jump back to quoted post18 Jul 2015, 13:21 PMaaa

I was impressed by maxim buff. I guess it can be like 2-3 maxim play (maybe even 1-2 maxim opening) vs OKW.

It will be harder vs red germs cuz they have sniper but with their new T3 price 360\130. 1-2 Maxim into t70 can be very good vs them too.
OKW will have tough start every game and will be playing leigs all the time.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 01:21 AMThoseDeafMutes

IMO Conscripts just need better scaling with vet. Modest buffs to veterancy will make them more useful later on without making them overpowered early and won't require adding whole new upgrades / significant underlying changes to the faction.

That and molotovs are currently broken / worthless, which needs fixing.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 01:21 AMThoseDeafMutes

IMO Conscripts just need better scaling with vet. Modest buffs to veterancy will make them more useful later on without making them overpowered early and won't require adding whole new upgrades / significant underlying changes to the faction.

That and molotovs are currently broken / worthless, which needs fixing.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 01:21 AMThoseDeafMutes

IMO Conscripts just need better scaling with vet. Modest buffs to veterancy will make them more useful later on without making them overpowered early and won't require adding whole new upgrades / significant underlying changes to the faction.

That and molotovs are currently broken / worthless, which needs fixing.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 20:24 PMBob Loblaw

I would rather they made penals a lot better instead but since Relic nerfed flame weapons they seem to want to go in the opposite direction of that.

I like the idea of non-doc SVTs and/or PPSHs. Especially with the molotov nerf cons suck even more at their post 10 minute role, dedicated grenade throwers. They need some sort of upgrade to stay relevant.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 20:26 PMAlexzandvar

They buffed Flamers by giving them much more consistent AoE DPS. The only flame weapons that are worse off are the vehicle based ones and the flame barrage abilities.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 20:27 PMVonIvan

BUFF PPSH AND HIT THE DIRT.

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 20:38 PMVuther

Switch Defensive Stance and Hit the Dirt's usability in combat.

Pretty sure the reason Hit the Dirt made Scripts unable to move in combat practically because it also made them immune to bullets with cover. Hit the Dirt hasn't stacked with cover in years, but it still makes them not able to move in combat practically...

Jump back to quoted post20 Jul 2015, 20:31 PMBob Loblaw

No more flame crits until a squad is basically dead makes using them tougher.

I'm too lazy to look up the exact stats but I used to use flamethrowers all of the time and they seem less effective to me.