Over nerfed Obers

Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 14:11 PMJaigen

such retarded logic. one squad is 400 mp the other 280. but im better of sending either 2 volks a fsj or a fusilier. they get the job done a lot better. im not arguing that obers are stronger. they are not worth getting for the price you are paying and are the moment the worst infantry in the game if you look on the stats. Their is no point in getting them.

if shocktroopers could not handle 2 volks you would be pissed , obers cannot handle 2 rifleman or even conscripts efficiently.

Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 14:06 PMJohnnyB

Vehicles are a different story and what you said can be applied to PZIV also vs IS2.

Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 14:14 PMAustralian Magic

Well, if you look on the stats, you will se that Obers without LMG are a way stronger than Grens with LMG.

Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 14:13 PMgokkel

Well they did absolutely nothing about American blobs in the same time which do also insane damage. People are just scared that OKW will struggle to keep up against them because OKW doesn't really have much to offer in terms of "combined arms". No medium tanks, no proper MGs (only doctrinal and weak MG34), no cheap mortar, no Snipers. All you have is your own infantry blob that got nerfed, the unreliable leIG (lets see about the buff), the Stuka which you cannot guarantee to hit, the unreliable Flak Halftrack that gets scared off by a single AT gun, and the probably best alternative the Luchs (which will have to be careful against AT still).

Personally I am not awfully scared. OKW still have good doctrinal infantry choices, some squad wipers got nerfed (although if that article on the site about the Greyhound and Motor Howitzer are analyzing the situation correctly it doesn't look like they got really nerfed even). The Raketenwerfer buff was one of the most needed changes for OKW. The problem is they do not seem to do much of what they promise to improve blob counters / punish blobbing, especially not against USF, they only nerfed some OKW units and thus their blobs.

Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 14:21 PMJaigen

Well if you on stats and mp then you will see that while obers are better grens outperform them because they are 45% cheaper. not to mention they have panzerfausts and riflesnades making them far more flexible then the obers.

Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 14:21 PMJaigen

Well if you on stats and mp then you will see that while obers are better grens outperform them because they are 45% cheaper. not to mention they have panzerfausts and riflesnades making them far more flexible then the obers.

Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 13:53 PMAustralian Magic

snap

Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 14:25 PMGustavGans

A new strategist I see. Congrats! Can't be long for Katitof to recieve the same honour then.

Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 14:25 PMGustavGans

A new strategist I see. Congrats! Can't be long for Katitof to recieve the same honour then.

Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 13:53 PMAustralian Magic

Is this thread for real? Patch is not even online and you know Obers are nerfed into the ground?

Obers even without LMGs are very good. Try terror officer with 3 Obers around officer.

Also keep in mind insane vet 5.

Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 14:28 PMTea Maker Machine

And QUEEN RATCHET too.

Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 14:22 PMWingZero

Honestly, OKW has no problem dealing with USF blobs (Kubel handles them well, doctrinal MG-34s). Don't forget, USF player needs muni and fuel to upgrade either LMG or Bazookas thus delaying teching and muni for abilities/nades. The problem with OKW blobs was they were too efficient as Shrek countered medium armor and Obers raped all infantry (no fuel teching + free LMG).

I think we all need to wait and see how the patch really is. I really don't think Ober nerf will hamper OKW as a army. I will pick Falls over Obers as a personal choice.

Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 14:22 PMWingZero

Honestly, OKW has no problem dealing with USF blobs (Kubel handles them well, doctrinal MG-34s). Don't forget, USF player needs muni and fuel to upgrade either LMG or Bazookas thus delaying teching and muni for abilities/nades. The problem with OKW blobs was they were too efficient as Shrek countered medium armor and Obers raped all infantry (no fuel teching + free LMG).

I think we all need to wait and see how the patch really is. I really don't think Ober nerf will hamper OKW as a army. I will pick Falls over Obers as a personal choice.

Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 14:11 PMJaigen

such retarded logic. one squad is 400 mp the other 280. but im better of sending either 2 volks a fsj or a fusilier. they get the job done a lot better. im not arguing that obers are stronger. they are not worth getting for the price you are paying and are the moment the worst infantry in the game if you look on the stats. Their is no point in getting them.

if shocktroopers could not handle 2 volks you would be pissed , obers cannot handle 2 rifleman or even conscripts efficiently.

That obers need to pay ammo for their lmg's is something i approve of. but now they need to be reduced to 300/280 mp/

Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 14:50 PMLooney

No worries OKW players, you still have scavenge doc with elite infantry and Ostwinds who perform really well vs inf. Just spam alot of infantry, tech to puma only, you don't have to have mapcontroll all game. Then call in an ostwind, wich OKW can call in because even without fuel income they can skip tech and carry with infantry.

Then spam 2-3 rakketten, destroying US tanks in 2 volleys without even shreck support. Then finish them off with Ostwind cause it can pen tanks reliable.

After that just watch the opponent rage because he outplayed you all game and only because of faction design you won.

See? you don't even need Obers, welcome to COH2.

Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 12:29 PMBurts

Sorry, but i dont think this is the case. Obers with no LMG still out DPS rifles by 441% at long range. (Sorry no idea what i was saying here) they out DPS by almost 2x at range with base rifles)


Durability wise, they are almost as durable as 6 grens againts small arms.

Considering 4 gren models cost 240, 6 grens would cost 360.

Surely the best LMG in the game + booby traps + 2 very strong grenades makes up for that 40mp cost right?

Jump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 15:04 PMThe Silver Sage

Alex was spreading misinformation