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1 Apr 2015, 11:28 AM
#141
avatar of Burts

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jump backJump back to quoted post1 Apr 2015, 01:32 AMJaigen
Bad news: obers are shit. and not worth getting.

Good news: volks are even more ridiculous at killing tanks and the puchpen and support gun are insanely good now.

Overall the okw got some pretty tasty buffs so obers i will replace them with something decent. like volks i guess



Interestingly enough, cruzz notes said that volks do not infact get 30% reload, but only 30% cooldown increase with vet 5. Which affects their rifle, but not the panzershreck.
1 Apr 2015, 12:19 PM
#142
avatar of The Silver Sage

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jump backJump back to quoted post1 Apr 2015, 11:28 AMBurts



Interestingly enough, cruzz notes said that volks do not infact get 30% reload, but only 30% cooldown increase with vet 5. Which affects their rifle, but not the panzershreck.


Yeah it's much like the decreased cooldown between shots bulletins that each faction has for their core infantry. It only affects the rifles not other weapons such as BARs and shreks.
1 Apr 2015, 12:23 PM
#143
avatar of Specialka

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jump backJump back to quoted post1 Apr 2015, 11:28 AMBurts



Interestingly enough, cruzz notes said that volks do not infact get 30% reload, but only 30% cooldown increase with vet 5. Which affects their rifle, but not the panzershreck.


Was pretty obvious it would not affect Panzershreck. They did not nerf accuracy to make them shoot faster.
1 Apr 2015, 12:26 PM
#144
avatar of Jaigen

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jump backJump back to quoted post1 Apr 2015, 11:28 AMBurts



Interestingly enough, cruzz notes said that volks do not infact get 30% reload, but only 30% cooldown increase with vet 5. Which affects their rifle, but not the panzershreck.


well shit.good thing we have cruzz. even so raketten and leigh are at a good place.
1 Apr 2015, 12:33 PM
#145
avatar of Omega_Warrior

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jump backJump back to quoted post1 Apr 2015, 11:28 AMBurts



Interestingly enough, cruzz notes said that volks do not infact get 30% reload, but only 30% cooldown increase with vet 5. Which affects their rifle, but not the panzershreck.
Where did he post this. Cruzz's history says he hasn't posted anything since early march.
1 Apr 2015, 12:38 PM
#146
avatar of Jason

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Obers are still the best infantry in the game, so whats the problem?

And yet they cost 440 and are highly expensive to recruit. Oh & now they've been nerfed.
1 Apr 2015, 12:40 PM
#147
avatar of ofield

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jump backJump back to quoted post1 Apr 2015, 11:28 AMBurts



Interestingly enough, cruzz notes said that volks do not infact get 30% reload, but only 30% cooldown increase with vet 5. Which affects their rifle, but not the panzershreck.


i can confirm this, i made some tests with vet4 and vet5 volks, and the schreck had same reload on both.
1 Apr 2015, 12:56 PM
#148
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jump backJump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 17:25 PMRollo



Great contribution to the thread right there, not heard this one before







Great trolling bro. Thank you for your photo.
1 Apr 2015, 13:02 PM
#149
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Did anyone see my cofee cup? I was very drunk last evening and I believe I accidentaly pissed on it. It has something written on it like "your tears". Oh wait...
1 Apr 2015, 13:18 PM
#150
avatar of The amazing Chandler

Posts: 1355

I don't get it, there are so many people here who are so good at "balance". Why hasn't RELIC already hired them to uplift and take this game to the next Level which is "perfect"?



1 Apr 2015, 13:22 PM
#151
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jump backJump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 13:44 PMKatitof
Kübler-Ross model:
Denial.


Dr. Liz Kubler-Ross.

Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance.

Kaitof. How do you know about this? Are you a psychologist? I didn't think she was that well known....
1 Apr 2015, 13:23 PM
#152
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jump backJump back to quoted post31 Mar 2015, 12:27 PMKatitof
Squad almost twice as good as grens cost almost twice as much and still can upgrade with much better weapon.

God forbid obers are not brainless move and you actually have to think if you want them now!

They have high reinforcement cost, because they are most durable in game long range infantry. Also their reinforce cost matches perfectly universal reinforce cost formula(reinforcing from 1 entity to full squad= ~40% of squad value), so there is no problem here.

Also of course M1919 paras will beat them. What did you expected if you put 380mp+120mun vs 400mp unit? The resource difference alone makes it quite clear which one should end on top. Even with 60 muni LMG it makes perfect sense from balance perspective for them to loose a fight on equal footing.

Now, lets use another argument axis players used recently:
You pay additional costs for UTILITY as you can place BOOBY TRAPS with them without the need for doctrine.

Now, lets do some basic math:
150 is 37% of 400.
5x 28 is 140 and 140 is 37% of 380.

OH MY GOD! THE UNITS REINFORCE FOR EXACTLY HOW MUCH THEY SHOULD HAVE! IN FACT IT MAKES SENSE FOR OBERS TO REINFORCE FOR SLIGHTLY MORE THEN NOW AS WELL AS PARAS!
BURN THIS MATHEMATICAL WHICH FOR PROVING THAT EVERYTHING IS FINE!


Because you have no slightest clue on how to read them correctly.
You see forest but not trees.


I've noticed for many times that you are using some weird formula for calculating reinforcement cost.

It is [SQUAD COST] / [NUMBER OF ENTITIES] / 2

Few examples:

Conscripts: 240 / 6 / 2 = 20
Grens: 240 / 4 / 2 = 30
Obers: 400 / 4 / 2 = 50
Rifles: 280 / 5 / 2 = 28

You're welcome.
1 Apr 2015, 13:26 PM
#153
avatar of gokkel

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jump backJump back to quoted post1 Apr 2015, 13:22 PMGdot


Dr. Liz Kubler-Ross.

Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance.

Kaitof. How do you know about this? Are you a psychologist? I didn't think she was that well known....


Maybe he is just a patient Kappa
1 Apr 2015, 13:32 PM
#154
avatar of WingZero

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jump backJump back to quoted post1 Apr 2015, 12:38 PMJason

And yet they cost 440 and are highly expensive to recruit. Oh & now they've been nerfed.


Its not like OKW has any other units to spend Man Power on, OKW has more than enough Man Power to afford at least 2 Ober squads.
1 Apr 2015, 13:34 PM
#155
avatar of Gdot

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jump backJump back to quoted post1 Apr 2015, 13:26 PMgokkel


Maybe he is just a patient Kappa


Lol. Hats off to you for that one. :clap:
1 Apr 2015, 13:34 PM
#156
avatar of Katitof

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jump backJump back to quoted post1 Apr 2015, 13:22 PMGdot


Dr. Liz Kubler-Ross.

Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance.

Kaitof. How do you know about this? Are you a psychologist? I didn't think she was that well known....


I like to know stuff, you never know when it might get useful, also helps dealing with stupid people :megusta:

@ElSlayer
Not really weird formula, just different approach to it(you don't have to know the exact formula as long as you know the supposed result and how to get it), works and is accurate anyway so no problem. :)
1 Apr 2015, 13:37 PM
#157
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jump backJump back to quoted post1 Apr 2015, 13:22 PMGdot


Dr. Liz Kubler-Ross.

Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression, Acceptance.

Kaitof. How do you know about this? Are you a psychologist? I didn't think she was that well known....


Many people are familiar with the 5 stages of grief, kinda common knowledge.
2 Apr 2015, 08:36 AM
#158
avatar of Jason

Posts: 82



Its not like OKW has any other units to spend Man Power on, OKW has more than enough Man Power to afford at least 2 Ober squads.


Are you encouraging blobbing?
2 Apr 2015, 08:40 AM
#159
avatar of Aerohank

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Obers are fine. You just have to use actually micro them into cover now instead of simply A-moving across open fields like you could do pre-patch.
2 Apr 2015, 08:43 AM
#160
avatar of AchtAchter

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After some games I don't really have a problem to have enough munitions when obers hit the field. Since you don't need a lot of schreck upgrades anymore (thanks to raketenwerfer buff), getting LMGs is not that hard.
Still Obers could use more DPS on their K98K rifles. A 400 mp T4 unit should be able to easily defeat units that cost less.

That's the argument that always comes when some players say "Rifles should dominate Grens/Volksgrens, because they cost 40/45 mp more" (which is ridiculous if you see that they totally owned just for that cheap price.)
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