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Obers are fine. You just have to use actually micro them into cover now instead of simply A-moving across open fields like you could do pre-patch.
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People still can do that as their 0.7 modifier hasnt been affected. The problem is that baseline obers provide far to little for 400 mp. nothing more then slightly stronger grenadiers
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The problem is that baseline obers provide far to little for 400 mp. nothing more then slightly stronger grenadiersI disagree, people are just used to them completely and effortlessly pwning everything in sight. I would say they provide enough survivability and DPS for a 400mp infantry unit. Looking at Paras, Falls and PzGrens for comparison of cost effectiveness.
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I disagree, people are just used to them completely and effortlessly pwning everything in sight. I would say they provide enough survivability and DPS for a 400mp infantry unit. Looking at Paras, Falls and PzGrens for comparison of cost effectiveness.
They are not "slightly better Grenadiers", they are Ultra-grenadiers. Long range firepower out of the box, much more accurate kars, with an exponentially more powerful, but same-cost, LMG upgrade, better received acc modifiers, and insane veterancy bonuses.
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Is this troll?
Without LMG they own everything, except Shocks.
Their DPS is like Grens with LMG.
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Go back to your college and ask your money back from your maths teacher.
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Why you are such troll and can't accept simple facts?
I will simply lol at anyone expecting such a change to a 2 year old general use infantry.
Equally possible are pershing for USF, IS-3 for soviets or ober nerf for OKW.
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Go back to your college and ask your money back from your maths teacher.
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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People still can do that as their 0.7 modifier hasnt been affected. The problem is that baseline obers provide far to little for 400 mp. nothing more then slightly stronger grenadiers
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OKW was only OP in team games, 1vs1 not so much. Now when I play soviet OKW feel much weaker than werh. OKW still have a strong late game but their early-mid game is to weak now that they dont have the saving grace of OP obers. The patch was fine and obers needed a nerf but OKW early/mid game still need some fine-tuning.
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Yes, and their LMG34 provides way too much for 60 munitions, which is the same price as a BAR.
I consider the Obers to simply be a 400mp/60muni squad now. And they perform fine for that cost in my opinion.
I suppose you could make obers a cheaper squad so that their MP cost reflect the effectiveness of the baseline unit. But then you also have to make the LMG34 cost more munitions to reflect its performance. However, I'm not a fan of this solution as I'd rather spend a bit more MP and have more munitions to spare for things like mines, schreks, and abilities. Man power is not that much of an issue for OKW, and having more munitions available for abilities lead to better, more exciting gameplay.
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Eh no because your still bottlenecked by the mp. how many obers are you able to get? 2 perhaps max 3. i can get 7-8 grens/rifles and after a while they will get upgraded and blow the obers out of the water with their efficiency.
That obers needed to be nerfed was clear. but should have gone for 300 mp obers with a 90 ammo lmg and 120 ammo stg44.
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So what are you saying exactly? Should 2 obers outperform 7-8 LMG grens? LMG Obersoldaten out-perform LMG grenadiers cost for cost. What they lack in MP efficiency they more than make up for with munition efficiency. The reason you only get max 2-3 obers in a match is because you also have shrecked up volks running around.
Edit: Also, if LMG grens are going to be your target of reference for how cost-effective units should be, the allies would like to receive their buffs please! 60 ammo for a BAR is laughable vs 60 ammo for a LMG42.
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Not by a long shot.Then their is also the issue of reduced ammo and fuel income as well as volksgreandiers being the worst baseline infantry. And bars are awesome provided you are in CC situations. but lmg's and assaults rifles are 2 completely different weapons. so i have no idea why you compare them
Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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Because its not meant to grant them huge advantage. You know, they are supposed to be more balanced.
Muni income is not an argument, LMG is well worth 90 muni yet it costs 60-same 60 as Ost normal LMG that can't fire on the move and you need to get prone to fire it.
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Maybe it's 'cause the Axis players aren't a bunch of forum crybabies, and they keep their cool and fight the uphill battle, unlike some of their "allied" counterparts.
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